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Ron's Revolution: Could Dr. Paul Really Surprise Us?
National Review Online ^ | October 9, 2007 | Dave Kopel

Posted on 10/09/2007 7:07:34 AM PDT by Captain Kirk

This weekend, I attended and spoke at the Second Amendment Foundation’s annual Gun Rights Policy Conference, which was held at a convention center in northern Kentucky, a few miles away from Cincinnati. What I saw and heard there changed my mind about the viability of Ron Paul’s presidential candidacy; Paul is going to far outperform the expectations laid out for him.

First, for some background: twenty years ago, the Second Amendment Foundation (the second-largest pro-Second Amendment group in the U.S.) began sponsoring an annual Gun Rights Policy Conference, in conjunction with other pro-gun groups, including the NRA. For a full working day on Saturday, and half a day on Sunday, the conference features 10-15 minute speeches by writers, radio hosts, group leaders, and other pro-2d Amendment activists.’’

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; banglist; davekopel; endorsedbydu; kopel; moonbats; nader; paul; paulestinians; paulqaeda; ralphnader; ronpaul; startrekgeeks; thedailykoscandidate
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To: live+let_live; Admin Moderator
I tried to tell him that the world has changed and that the Constitution was good back in the past but it’s out of date and that we don’t need to use it anymore.

Not only did this conversation not take place, but anybody dumb enough to actually believe such a (thoroughly moronic) conversation ever took place should have their voting rights permanently revoked.

Is this really what trolling has come to? I think we should observe a moment of silence for the lost art of subtle manipulation...

61 posted on 10/10/2007 12:49:17 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (We didn't "win" the Cold War. We had a half-time lead.)
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To: SJackson
All we have to do is call up as SUPER NEO-CONS... AND IT WILL SHOW THE LUNACY OF THEIR LOGIC TO ALL THEIR VIEWERS AND LISTENERS!

See the post immediately after yours (#35).

62 posted on 10/10/2007 12:55:35 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (We didn't "win" the Cold War. We had a half-time lead.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

Were you standing in the lobby of the KDR house at U of I during their victory over Wisconsin on Saturday? Cause that’s where my son and I were.


63 posted on 10/10/2007 12:56:25 PM PDT by live+let_live
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To: live+let_live
My son doesn’t believe me. He’s smart but so naive about how the real world works.

You'd better pray he doesn't find out firsthand.


64 posted on 10/10/2007 12:57:20 PM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

I try to be a realist.

I got similar response a few weeks ago when I pointed out our government is employing a fascist economic model particularly in the Department of Agriculture. It made people mad because we are taught since we were young that fascism = Nazi. Not true. If you learn about fascism as an economic model you see that many parts of our Government use it. And in fact if you ask people if they like those parts of the economy without describing it as fascism they like it (I’m not one of those). I have a theory that as long as you never use the word ‘fascism’ but describe it to the random person on the street they would love it.

Sorry to get so long winded but the same situation exists with our Constitution. We are taught since we were children how great it is and that our Government is ruled by the Constitution. Below is part of the response I gave to another person who disagreed with me that we don’t use our Constitution:

. . .tell me about our States Rights today?
Tell me how agriculture department rules controlling the price of milk fit into the Constitution.
Tell me where foreign aid fits into the Constitution.
Tell me where the Federal Education Department fits into the Constitution.
Tell me why the Federal Government can tell a farmer how much wheat he can grow?
Tell me how the City of Chicago can outlaw handgun ownership?

We don’t follow the Constitution. We use the parts that are convenient to us. We ignore those parts that are inconvenient.


So far nobody has posted back to show me where I’m wrong; that our Government IS run according to our Founders wishes. And believe me, I wish I was wrong.

Santa Claus isn’t real and we don’t follow our Constitution.

Finally it’s poor manners to call someone a liar.


65 posted on 10/10/2007 2:09:55 PM PDT by live+let_live
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To: live+let_live

So you like the Constitution now? Because just last weekend at the kegger at the Phi Lamba Epsilon house after the big win by the home team, you were telling your Paul supporting son with the sterling credentials that it was nice once upon a time, but we didn’t need it anymore.


66 posted on 10/10/2007 3:11:10 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (We didn't "win" the Cold War. We had a half-time lead.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

“. . .tell me about our States Rights today?
Tell me how agriculture department rules controlling the price of milk fit into the Constitution.
Tell me where foreign aid fits into the Constitution.
Tell me where the Federal Education Department fits into the Constitution.
Tell me why the Federal Government can tell a farmer how much wheat he can grow?
Tell me how the City of Chicago can outlaw handgun ownership?

We don’t follow the Constitution. We use the parts that are convenient to us. We ignore those parts that are inconvenient.


Please tell me where I’m wrong.


67 posted on 10/10/2007 4:15:42 PM PDT by live+let_live
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

“it was nice once upon a time, but we didn’t need it anymore.”

In a pure Machovelian sense, that is correct.

Look around you, we don’t follow our Constitution. Yet under the leadership of the Democrat and Republican Parties the United States has become the most wealthy and powerful empire the world has known since Rome.


68 posted on 10/10/2007 4:29:11 PM PDT by live+let_live
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To: live+let_live

So you have the Paulestinian list of Constitutional grievances committed to memory, yet you believe we’re better off and more prosperous for having ignored it.

Sell crazy someplace else. This game is tiresome.


69 posted on 10/10/2007 4:45:32 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (We didn't "win" the Cold War. We had a half-time lead.)
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To: Captain Kirk
Ron Paul supporters...

Passionate? Yes.

Numerous? No.

70 posted on 10/11/2007 8:25:43 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: buffyt
" I am no longer voting at all until Ramos & Campean are FREE."

Perhaps Hitlery will invite you to her inauguration.

71 posted on 10/11/2007 8:31:09 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: live+let_live

>> tried to tell him that the world has changed and that the Constitution was good back in the past but it’s out of date and that we don’t need to use it anymore.

IBTZ...


72 posted on 10/11/2007 8:32:33 PM PDT by oblomov
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To: Captain Kirk

Set phaser on stun, Captain.


73 posted on 10/11/2007 8:32:34 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Greg F

Don’t confuse NRO (online) with National Review. They aren’t the same and the dead tree version is by far and away the better of the two. NRO ends up with stuff that isn’t worth wasting paper and ink on.


74 posted on 10/11/2007 8:34:25 PM PDT by Valpal1 ("I know the fittest have not survived when I watch Congress on CSPAN.")
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To: live+let_live

>>We don’t follow the Constitution. We use the parts that are convenient to us. We ignore those parts that are inconvenient.

So are you saying that “what is, is what ought to be”?

That Hegelian political philosophy caused no end of trouble in the 20th and early 21st cenuries.


75 posted on 10/11/2007 8:36:21 PM PDT by oblomov
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Occaisionally Ron Paul's nurse loosens his restraints so he may partake in his favorite pasttime of macaroni art.

A Rupaul self-portrait.


76 posted on 10/11/2007 9:05:59 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: Captain Kirk

Note the tagline ...


77 posted on 10/11/2007 9:07:26 PM PDT by ROTB (Front Runner=rich guy who doesn't hate evil and strives to offend no one, AND WILL SELL YOU OUT!!!!!)
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To: buffyt

>>”I am no longer voting until R... and C.... are free”>>>>

Well that’ll do it!


78 posted on 10/11/2007 9:15:37 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Valpal1
Don’t confuse NRO (online) with National Review. They aren’t the same and the dead tree version is by far and away the better of the two. NRO ends up with stuff that isn’t worth wasting paper and ink on.

Well, why publish left-wing and RINO crap at all?

79 posted on 10/12/2007 4:12:08 AM PDT by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: oblomov

“So are you saying that “what is, is what ought to be”?”

Oh, dear God no!

But if everyone understood what is really happening maybe we could reverse it.


80 posted on 10/12/2007 5:43:55 AM PDT by live+let_live
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