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The American Dream in Reverse
New York Times ^ | October 8, 2007

Posted on 10/08/2007 5:59:31 AM PDT by reaganaut1

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To: glide625

It’s also worth noting that a substantial portion of the population growth in the last six years has probably involved people entering this country illegally. These people are far more likely to rent their homes than own them.


41 posted on 10/08/2007 7:07:03 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: MrB

This is why it is so astounding. Non-homestead collateral can be lien stripped and the renegotiated.

Part of the reason the IRS “hits” the bankrupt forclosed is that the lender writes OFF the loss and teh IRS is trying to “recapture” the taxes from another source.


42 posted on 10/08/2007 7:10:05 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: reaganaut1
Why should mortgage lenders be treated differently than any other creditors?

If courts can restructure bankrupts debts to ME, why should mortgage lenders be different?

43 posted on 10/08/2007 7:10:45 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Trails of troubles, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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To: Jim Noble

Really low interest rates were a heroic effort to get people into home ownership. But the result was overpriced housing, speculation and now there are a lot of people that own too much over-valued housing.
The market is still in free fall in many areas. Forcing the lenders to modify loans will only result in future higher interest rates and fewer new homeowners.


44 posted on 10/08/2007 7:19:33 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: longtermmemmory

But it takes an adversary proceeding to strip off the negative equity in a bankruptcy case. Most mortgagees cannot afford such a proceeding.


45 posted on 10/08/2007 7:24:03 AM PDT by Unknowing (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.)
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To: metesky
Which beach? (You just can’t satisfy some people!)

Ah, if you imagine that you have the right to live where you wish to, then off to the reeducation camp for you as well, Comrade.

Man, the FReeper gulag is filling up quickly.

46 posted on 10/08/2007 7:26:56 AM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Oldexpat
The market is still in free fall in many areas.

So what?

Forcing the lenders to modify loans will only result in future higher interest rates and fewer new homeowners.

The market will set interest rates. You say "fewer new homeowners" like that's a bad thing.

47 posted on 10/08/2007 7:27:44 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Trails of troubles, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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To: Unknowing

yes, hency my statement about a bankrupt who can afford it.

HOWEVER, an adversary is not always needed (at least pre2005) if you had a lender who was willing to negotiate and see the futility of their position.

What I have seen of late is lenders who have no clue about business and are in a “screw everyone” mindset.

While the 2005 reform only managed to increase ch13’s very slightly, I think the trend to more plans than liquidation is going to force trustees to get into the stripping mix in order to preserve the income source for the other creditors.


48 posted on 10/08/2007 7:31:44 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Alberta's Child

Yea, you’re correct; then again, to what extent are they “counted”. They may be, I just don’t know. Now I do believe that a large number reported as non-homeowners are “legal” immigrants who, like their predecessors, i.e. Italian and Irish immigrants, take some time to get settled into the economy. For example, I’ve read stories of Russian immigrants who land in NY; work there a year or more as cab drivers while going to school, etc. who simply can’t afford home ownership for a number of years because it takes them that amount of time to learn and settle into our “system”.


49 posted on 10/08/2007 7:44:20 AM PDT by glide625
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To: Disambiguator; facedown

And some of us would like a 100 acre or so farm, preferably with a pond/lake.


50 posted on 10/08/2007 8:44:57 AM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: Malacoda

If it’s a large puppy the third-worlder might eat for a few days...


51 posted on 10/08/2007 8:47:18 AM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: MrB
[“American Dream”]

Some would rather have a “Great Society” than the “American Dream”.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Lyndon+Johnson++%22Great+Society%22

President Bush’s appointed ambassador the the Netherlands is Ameriquest owner and king of Sub-prime, Roland Arnall.

52 posted on 10/08/2007 9:37:32 AM PDT by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
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To: VxH

>>ambassador the the Netherlands

Should be:

ambassador to the Netherlands


53 posted on 10/08/2007 9:38:31 AM PDT by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
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To: bolobaby
When is Congress going to figure out that businesses pass their costs on to consumers?

They know, they just don't care. Congress is in the business of buying votes with other people's money.

54 posted on 10/08/2007 9:40:51 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: RockinRight
The average credit score is 720 which indicates less than 3% likelihood of default.

Are you stating the avg for the population or for home owners?

55 posted on 10/08/2007 9:53:30 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (False modesty is as great a sin as false pride.)
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To: untrained skeptic

You sure they do?

They probably do, but realize that most people are too damn economically ignorant to realize it.

As soon as enough realize this, count on the left in government to try to make it ILLEGAL to pass on government imposed costs.


56 posted on 10/08/2007 10:39:09 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: bolobaby
When is Congress going to figure out that businesses pass their costs on to consumers?

Socialists will never understand this as they tend to work for not-for-profit enterprises like the New York Times.

57 posted on 10/08/2007 10:45:27 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Don't taze me, bro!!)
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To: Centurion2000

Population as a whole.


58 posted on 10/08/2007 11:07:39 AM PDT by RockinRight (Can we start calling Fred "44" now, please?)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

“Socialists will never understand this as they tend to work for not-for-profit enterprises like the New York Times.”

Nice Coulterism!


59 posted on 10/08/2007 11:10:42 AM PDT by bolobaby
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To: longtermmemmory

The Trustees are so overloaded that it would require some new case law to mandate such actions, IMHO.


60 posted on 10/08/2007 11:19:29 AM PDT by Unknowing (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.)
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