Posted on 09/30/2007 10:12:11 AM PDT by traviskicks
Edited on 09/30/2007 4:01:53 PM PDT by Lead Moderator. [history]
Manchester – Calls to abolish the Internal Revenue Service and repeal the Constitutional amendment that established the federal income tax drew loud applause yesterday for Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul.
The Texas Congressman drew an eclectic mix of more than 500 supporters -- young and old, Libertarians and anti-war Democrats, independents and conservative Republicans -- who cheered his message of limited government, low taxes, free markets, bringing the troops home from Iraq, and returning to a monetary policy based on the gold standard.
Paul said the gathering at Veterans Park wasn't about him, but about his message -- which, he said, has been resonating with more and more people.
"Something very significant is happening in this country today. The paradigm is shifting away from government controlling our lives by force," he said. "People are sick and tired of what's happening and want to control (their) own lives."
He said people should be able to keep 100 percent of the fruits of their labor. Income tax is an example of the government controlling people, he said, as are the draft, prohibition on drugs, seat belt laws and other regulations.
Paul said current monetary policy amounts to a "secret sinister tax" that takes wealth from the middle class and poor, and redistributes money to Wall Street and the wealthy. The crowd broke into applause when he said the federal reserve system should be abolished.
Earlier in the day, Paul told three New Hampshire reporters he hoped to turn the enthusiasm his campaign has generated -- through the Internet, in "meet-ups" and through campaign donations -- into votes.
The physician-turned-politician said he expects to spend more and more time in New Hampshire. "The slogan on your license plate would indicate this should be fertile ground for us here," he said, alluding to the state's "Live Free or Die" motto.
Paul said he is running on the same policies President Bush advocated when he ran in 2000, which, he added, are the same ones Republicans have run on for years: a balanced budget, limited government, personal freedom and no nation building.
"Most Republicans -- the leadership in Washington -- don't believe in their own platform; that's why they are losing," Paul said.
Rather than try to spread democracy around the world, he said, politicians ought to focus on some of the shortcomings in this country.
"You don't get a fair shake unless you join the establishment," he said.
Paul, who ran for President in 1988 as the Libertarian Party's nominee, said it's more practical to run as a Republican, noting he spent half of his money in 1988 just trying to get on the ballot in all 50 states.
The door-to-door canvassing that followed the rally -- dubbed the Paul Family Walk -- included about 30 family members who led groups of campaigners in the Queen City, Concord and Nashua. Paul himself visited New England College, Dartmouth College and the Dartmouth Medical School after the rally.
Liz Viering and her husband Peter, from Stonington, Conn., said Paul's opposition to the war in Iraq is the major reason they are supporting him. "Money spent on wars of choice takes money away from other programs," she said.
Miles LaPlant, a 21-year old college student from Attleboro, Mass., said Paul is the first candidate who has captured his attention. LaPlant said he likes Paul's stances regarding the Constitution and the country's founding principles.
Jason Kantz, his wife, Angela, and their two children came up from Cambridge, Mass., for the rally. Kantz said Paul "is the only candidate that gives logical answers and means what he says."
He said Paul's stand on the war in Iraq is also an important issue for him. "We need to reduce our involvement around the world and the amount of money we are spending," Kantz said.
Long-time Libertarian Party member Dennis Corrigan of Boxford, Mass., said he supported Paul when the Congressman ran for President as the Libertarian nominee. He said he has been a Libertarian for 40 years and headed the party in Canada at one time.
Corrigan and a friend were soliticiting signatures for a Massachusetts ballot initiative outlawing the income tax. Corrigan said his friend moved to New Hampshire as part of the Free State Project, adding that he plans to move to the state, as well.
Thomas Clark, Minister of the Somersworth Tri-City Convenant Church, gave the invocation for the rally. Before the rally, he said he supports Paul because of his pro-life stance. "The pro-life issue is a major issue for me," Clark said.
Paul concluded the rally by encouraging his supporters to keep the faith, saying most mass movements have been driven by only 2 or 3 percent of the population.
"You are part of that 3 percent today," he said.
A word from Jim Robinson to the moonbats:
To all antiwar moonbats, Paulistas included:
Hey, if you don't like FR and or our support the war policies leave. Go find a website that supports your unfortunate, short-sighted and misguided antiwar efforts. It's really that simple.
In case you antiwar Paulistas haven't noticed, Free Republic supports the war effort 100%. Many of our chapters protest against the antiwar moonbats either weekly, monthly or whenever the opportunity arises. The DC Chapter has been protesting against the antiwar moonbats EVERY Friday night at Walter Reed for three years.
Free Republic has co-sponsored several cross country caravans and hundreds of rallies in cities all across the country and in DC against the antiwar moonbats and in support of our Commander-in-chief, our troops, the war effort and our Gold Star and Blue Star families, many of whom are FReepers.
When you are supporting antiwar moonbats you are working against Free Republic's mission, hurting our efforts, hurting our families who have lost loved ones or have loved ones involved in the fighting, hurting our troops, damaging their morale, working against our efforts to defeat the enemy, and, in fact, giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
Antiwar moonbats are the domestic enemy. Antiwar moonbats willingly give aid and comfort to the enemy during wartime. In my book, that's tantamount to treason. Ron Paul is an antiwar moonbat. You figure it out. If antiwar moonbats are the enemy and Ron Paul is an aid and comfort supplying antiwar moonbat, then Ron Paul IS the enemy!
If you Paulistas are looking for support on FR for an antiwar moonbat who is giving aid and comfort to our enemies, you're nuts! Free Republic will NEVER support antiwar moonbats!
As far as our official policy on Ron Paul is concerned, it's the same policy we have for his antiwar moonbat allies the traitors Harry Reid, Chuckie Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, Jack Murtha, Cindy Sheehan, Barbara Streisand, Jane Fonda, CodePink, International Answer, et al and their flaming antiwar spam monkeys. Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!
Where the hell did you guys ever get the idea that enemy supporting antiwar moonbats would be welcome on FR?
That plain enough for you or do I need to spell it out?
Thanks, I’ll try to read through it
Antiwar moonbats certainly number *among* the domestic enemies. But I would also include all those who support socialism, even if they have an 'R' by their name, and even if they happen to currently occupy the White House.
That is obvious, but wallowing in the failures of the founders (e.g. slavery) is more suited to the DUmp than to this forum.
EternalVigilance is probably confused.
Bill Clinton is probably untrustworthy.
Osama bin Laden is probably vicious.
One puzzles as to whether any of the above statements is a trifle less obviously true than the other two.
You guys sure do love to produce that old canard. Thomas Jefferson's legislation was to replace the existing death penalty for sodomy in Virginia with castration.
Does that sound "libertarian"?
Given the above, yes, very much so.
The founding generation, and the generations before and after them...
Yes, member of the generation of the Founders did such things, but we're not talking about the generation of the Founders, we are talking about the Founders. We are not talking about the generations before and after the founders, we are talking about the Founders. You said the Founders were not libertarians. Stay on topic.
But, fact is, it is you who claimed they were libertarians.
So, the burden of proof is on you, not me.
Incorrect. You butted into a post I made to fish hawk with the naked assertion that the "Founders were NOT libertarians." See your post #226. I rebutted with evidence. See my post #228. You have failed to answer that rebuttal with anything like evidence. Please try to keep up.
Prove that they would approve in any way of legalized drugs, prostitution, open borders, abortion, homosexualism, etc., as hardcore modern “libertarians” advocate, or that they would include the right to practice such things under the rubric of “liberty.”
See above. As well, we are not talking about what some modern libertarians believe. We are talking about whether or not the Founders were libertarians. I have provided quotes from the original three Founders I mentioned to fish hawk that support the definition of libertarian I provided. You have failed to effectively rebut. Stay on topic. The ball is (and has been) in your court.
Fact is, the founders were republicans, not libertarians.
Non-sequitur. Republicans can be libertarians and libertarians can be republicans. They are not mutually exclusive. Libertarianism refers to a political philosophy. Republicanism refers to a political structure. And all of the founders were decidedly not republicans. Some were oligarchs, some were advocates of direct democracy. Ever heard of the Anti-Federalists? Please don't complicate your posts with more naked and false assertions. Your credibility is paper-thin as it is.
So, does this mean that Ron Paul advocates disbanding the military? If not, how does he propose to fund it?
I want it too! Can you please share?
I was asleep when this came out. (I'll shamelessly use any excuse I can...LOL)
Great post Jim.
The Paulestinians with their anti war, anti Israel views need continued exposure.
Conservatives who are sucked into this Soros like bunch
need to wake up.
Wrong again. Republicanism, small "r", is a political philosophy, based in an adherence to the rule of law, not of men. American republicanism is predicated on a reliance on the Creator and an acknowledgment of the self-evident truth that our rights to life, liberty and private property come from God and are therefore inalienable by any mere man.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men..."
Conversely, the philosophical base of libertarianism is set on the shifting sand of petty human wisdom and knowledge.
I don't remember discussing that. What did I miss?
Incorrect. Republicanism refers to a political structure favoring a republican form of government. A republican form of government refers to a collection or federation of member states or provinces who send representatives to a national legislative body. Republicanism establishes nothing with regard to the rule of law. A republican government could be as arbitrary as any other.
Conversely, the philosophical base of libertarianism is set on the shifting sand of petty human wisdom and knowledge.
Also incorrect. I already posted the definition of libertarian. Please re-read it and provide direct evidence that the Founders were not libertarian.
It isn’t retarded to attempt to prevent the bankruptcy of our nation.
As our baby boomers retire and our entitlement obligations go through the roof, we won’t be able to pretend anymore.
We can’t continue to borrow money and maintain the same role in the world. one way or the other it will come to an end this century. I would prefer it ends Ron Paul’s way.
But what the heck do I know? I’m just a retarded guy that knows economics. I don’t know a dang thing about Iran, I just know our current method of taxation and spending is leadign us to a disaster yet our republican leaders continue to increase spending in order to win elections.
M. Nehrling: If you have time, will you please provide KDD and hostage with a link to a more complete list of Run Paul's fiscal hypocrisy?
AND KDD: If we are willing to wait a few thousand years, maybe, maybe, those who want to spend their lives killing their own children and those of others might, to some extent, be converted to civilization. Meanwhile, of course, the slaugher would continue. If Run Paul wants to be a phony on war or on mere money, that is bad enough. He ought not to impersonate a pro-lifer when his "position" disclaiming federal jurisdiction is one that would preserve the American Holocaust virtually intact.
It does not particularly matter for political purposes whether Run Paulie is a pro-lifer" when he goes to church and pats himself on the back on Sunday when his essential attitude about nearly everything is that he does not care how many people suffer in other countries or in the womb unless they are his personal family. He is the political version of Cain (the Genesis figure not Jimmy Smits) and disclaims any responsibility to be his brothers' keeper.
I think the problem (and it has become all too obvious with Ron Paul’s campaign) is that many here do not comprehend the vast differences between libertarians and conservatives. Take abortion, for instance, when the Supreme Court of the United States adjudicates precedent that is binding to the entire country, it is a de facto federal issue.
Many libertarians are actually anarchists (and the more I see of Paul, the more he fits that mold), they do not understand the real distinction between limited government and NO government. It’s high time the libertarians recognize that they agree with liberals on just as many issues as they agree with conservatives.
i assume that you meant to say be a deliberate exaggeration??? Working off that assumption:
If you want to take the comment literally, fine.
Wear the kook label with pride though, and don't b!tc# about it when it happens, because the IRS as an organisation is going nowhere. It may shrink, but it's not going away.
As to your next question, you need to post quote in context, and maybe i'll answer. i've never seen the quote...or maybe i have, but have no idea which one in particular you reference...(Paul has sang that particular mantra many times, even in my home town).
Basically though, many people use hyperbole to make a point, even when expressing an opinion. It's a legitimate communication technique.
You’re flamin it so far out your backend it’s causin the neighbors to hold their nose.
Get help, professional help.
BTW, the best pizza in the USA is prepared, baked and sold at Sally's Pizza (Consiglio's) on Wooster Street in New Haven, Connecticut. Customers included Ronaldus Maximus and Frank Sinatra.
Just a notch below Sally's are Modern Pizza (State Street/New Haven), Palm Beach Pizza (Grand Avenue/New Haven) and a couple of suburban pizza places nearby. Then comes Pepe's Pizza and The Spot (both owned by one family and both on Wooster Street).
There is sooooo much money in good pizza that you can justify an exploratory research trip to New Haven. If you learn the secrets of New Haven Pizza and apply them in Texas you will live up to your screenname, will have less time or inclination to succumb to the foolishness of paleoPaulie or his weak and feckless foreign policy. If you insist on paleoPaulie's cut and runism, then go to Pepe's when you are in New Haven since they are the pizza place of choice of Mr. and Mrs. Arkansas Antichrist.
Whether antiwar antiamericans are also liberal democrats is largely irrelevant. There are paleofaux"whatevers" and there are those who dance by the light of the moon and there are abortion/drug/lavender"marriage" loving libertoonians and there are a wide variety of other warweenie fruits , nuts and vegetables who just don't like war because they want to busy ridding America of the federal TeaTasting Commission or whatever. We do not need this windtunnel antiwar virus spreading in the GOP and, after the GOP caucuses and primaries have turned paleoPaulie into unidentifiable political puree, we will get back to normal. In the meantime, crushing him and his leftwing (foreign policy) sycophants and surrendercrats.
So, Osama wants to be free, does he??? We are aggravating him by interfering with his "freedom" to be a miniTaliban, are we??? I and a lot of other Americans would rather Osama be DEAD than free along with anyone who supports him. Making him and Ahmanutjob and various other antiAmerican nutcases dead IS OUR NATIONAL BUSINESS. Why WOULD anyone read the 9/11 report??? Jamie Gorelick, Richard Benvenista, Thomas Kean, Lee Hamilton and whoever else spewing the same old commercial (protect TRADE ALMIGHTY at all costs) establishmentarian stew??? Even El Run Paulie doesn't believe that crew.
Stabbing our troops in the back while they are at war is NOT pro-military. Let the Islamofascisti live in fear of what WE might do for a change instead of our worrying about them. Who has the fleet of nuclear missile submarines???
Sweden: a free country???? Only if the measure of freedom is the availability of abortion and national friendliness to lavenderism and so forth. Otherwise, a socialist mess for more than a century. Whirled Peas is NOT a conservative cause, at least in the short run.
WHO bankrupted the soviet union???? The breaking point was the soviet incapacity to co-exist with modern communications technology that empowered the enemies within of the soviet state and the proposal of High Frontier which was far more expensive than the soviet economy could afford.
When all that remains of Osama is a pig-blood drenched pelt under glass in our cabinet room, his opinions will be utterly irrelevant. If we want to support our ally Israel (and we do), we shall support our ally Israel whether the bearded wonder likes it or not. Between now and the time when we turn Osama into that pelt, we also have the opportunity and obligation to slaughter his friends and subleaders wherever they may be.
Cut and Run Paul is no more of an expert on just war than he is on the constitution. St. Augustine was living in a pre-nuclear world in which he could afford to be wrong. Paleopaulie is a fake, a phony and a fraud and an antiAmerican nuisance. In four years, people will have trouble remembering who that antiwar moonbat was who nervily ran as a Republican no less for POTUS without a shred of legitimate credentials.
And NO, we are not going to obey Osama. We are going to kill him and his followers.
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