Posted on 09/28/2007 6:37:57 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
With Fred Thompson nipping at his heels in national polls, Rudy Giuliani is starting to wear out his welcome among the Republican Party's core conservative base.
The latest popped thread came in a stern letter this week from Pat Toomey, president of the staunchly anti-tax group Club for Growth.
Toomey said his key conservative members were "surprised and concerned" about reports that Giuliani wouldn't flatly rule out raising taxes to salvage a Social Security program headed for bankruptcy.
If true, he added, it "casts doubt on your commitment to opposing all tax increases."
The Giuliani camp quickly hustled out its biggest supply-side supporter. In a letter, Steve Forbes told Toomey that Giuliani is "opposed to tax increases," even if he didn't make any specific pledge.
This dustup alone won't cost Giuliani the support of anti-taxers, but it certainly poured cold water on the group's highly enthusiastic appraisal of him earlier this year. And it comes amid other strains in the relationship between Rudy and the Right.
Last week, Giuliani rekindled long-dormant conservative worries when he answered a cellphone call from his wife in the middle of an important speech to the National Rifle Association, which is already highly suspicious of Giuliani's old gun-grabbing ways.
A Fox News poll out yesterday reveals just how damaging it was.
It shows 80 percent of voters, including 84 percent of Republicans, say Giuliani should have ignored the call. That's up there with the percentage of Americans opposed to terrorism.
And as rude as Rudy's phone manners may have been, he committed a far worse sin at the moment he answered the call.
As the phone rang, Giuliani was giving a stirring defense of the Second Amendment, which he tried to quote.
(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...
It might be ellery. Posted the first thread about this IIRC, noticed it and allerted some bloggers.
I think Rudy is going to be leading in NH by Thanksgiving
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/nh/new_hampshire_republican_primary-193.html
It’s easy enough to understand. Conservatives split between a number of candidates, Rudy pictures at 9-11 and the fact he’s been someone that as held firm on the WOT when others Republicans went wobbly.
The GOP base takes the WOT VERY seriously, and Rudy’s been rewarded for taking it seriously. They’ve grown to respect him for doing so, and until he decided to run for President, that respect didn’t have to war with their feelings on other domestic issues. Kind of like conservatives strongly support Joe leiberman. The fact he’s a liberal doesn’t matter because he was only running for Senator in CT where we couldn’t win anyway.
Then there is the electability factor, and there is a core that cares more about defeating Hillary then anything else.
Oh, and of course there is the fact they did not trust Romney’s conversion, McCain has spit on them many times, and the others showed no ability to get traction nationally. That left Rudy as the default candidate they at least respected and trusted on one issue, whereas they did not trust or respect the other two.
Now Thompson has entered the field, he’s doing well nationally, he’s more inline with their core issues as well as the war. As a result Rudy’s support is sliding. Conservatives just need to keep hammering that Rudy is NOT electable because he doesn’t win blue states and puts red states in play, and Thompson needs to continue making the case he IS electable and preaching conservative values.
If Roney is finally able to see he may not win either N.H. or Iowa, his only shot to get traction in this race, then Romney needs to drop out and stop dividing the conservative vote. He’s the main guy keeping Rudy competitive in this race.
Yeehaw!!! Somebody finally printed it! Good job, again.
Rudy Giuliani gets the 2nd Amendment completely wrong in NRA speech [saved by a phone call]
Vanity ^ | ellery
Posted on 09/21/2007 10:12:36 PM PDT by ellery
Tom Tancredo for President
Rooty has 2 ex wives, 1 new one, kids that don’t like him. he is a naral favorite, a nambla marcher, a gun grabber, a create your own Constitution kind of guy. #16
A naral favorite?....a nambla marcher ?....holy mackeral—with apologies to the mackeral...
That does it...is there a conservative dog catcher running?
Snoopy as a write-in is lookin better every day
I thought he wore womens clothes "out"..
In 1981 PresReagan appointed Alan Greenspan as chairman of the Social Security reform commission. Its job was to come up with a plan to reform Social Security and make it fiscally solvent once again. That is exactly what happened. Social Security taxes did go up, from 4.8% to 5.7% (Today 6.2%). Reagan achieved reform with a hostile House controlled by the Dems. A compromise of sorts.
FWIW ....
Frontrunner Giuliani Leading Among Most Republican Subgroups
Gallup GOP Subgroup National Primary Poll
http://www.galluppoll.com/content/Default.aspx?ci=28828&VERSION=p
PRINCETON, NJ — Rudy Giuliani has led the field of Republican candidates for the 2008 presidential nomination in every Gallup Poll since January. In the most recent nationwide poll of Republicans, 30% name Giuliani as their first choice for the party’s nomination, giving him an eight-point lead over second place Fred Thompson who registers 22% support. John McCain is in third place at 18% and Mitt Romney is in fourth at 7%, with the five other announced candidates all polling at 4% or less.
While nowhere near as dominant as the Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton, Giuliani, like Clinton, leads among most subgroups within his party [see Related Items]. In fact, Giuliani does no worse than tie for first in each of a number of key Republican demographic groups. But some of Giuliani’s weakest showings are among subgroups of the party not likely to embrace his current or past pro-choice, pro-gay rights, and pro-gun control positions — Southerners, weekly churchgoers, Protestants, and men — in particular married men.
These insights are drawn from an aggregation of 1,690 interviews with Republicans and Republican-leaning independents taken from four Gallup surveys conducted in August and September. The analysis is primarily limited to the relative standings of the top four Republican candidates, since the minor candidates’ support tends to show little meaningful variation by subgroup.
Ideology
Republicans are roughly twice as likely to describe their political views as “conservative” than as either “moderate” or “liberal.” Giuliani has a lead among moderate and liberal Republicans as well as conservative Republicans, but his lead is much larger among the former group (21 points vs. 7 points). Thompson and McCain tie as the second place candidate among moderate and liberal Republicans, but Thompson is a clear second among the much larger conservative group.
Republican Nomination Preference by Ideological Self-Identification
Among Moderate/Liberal Republicans (N=544)
* Giuliani 38%
* Thompson 17%
* McCain 16%
* Romney 9%
Among Conservative Republicans (N=1,131)
* Giuliani 30%
* Thompson 23%
* McCain 15%
* Romney 10%
Republican Nomination Preference by Frequency of Church Attendance
Attend Church Weekly (N=689)
* Giuliani 27%
* Thompson 24%
* McCain 17%
* Romney 9%
* Huckabee 7%
Attend Monthly (N=396)
* Giuliani 33%
* Thompson 18%
* McCain 16%
* Romney 14%
Seldom/Never Attend (N=577)
* Giuliani 39%
* Thompson 20%
* McCain 13%
* Romney 8%
Republican Nomination Preference by Religious Affiliation
Protestant/”Christian” (N=765)
* Giuliani 28%
* Thompson 23%
* McCain 17%
* Romney 8%
Catholic (N=273)
* Giuliani 44%
* Thompson 18%
* McCain 13%
* Romney 13%
Republican Nomination Preference by Region of the Country
Northeast (N=327)
* Giuliani 43%
* McCain 14%
* Thompson 14%
* Romney 13%
Midwest (N=365)
* Giuliani 34%
* Thompson 17%
* McCain 16%
* Romney 9%
South (N=616)
* Giuliani 28%
* Thompson 28%
* McCain 12%
* Romney 6%
West (N=382)
* Giuliani 28%
* McCain 19%
* Thompson 18%
* Romney 14%
Survey of 1,690 Republicans and Republican-leaning independents was conducted in August and September.
In all my years I have never seen a worse nominee than FT. Not a single accomplishment. No leadership. Uninspiring. Definitely not someone Evangelicals should rally behind (admits to basically being a nonchurch goer). And I still have yet to see a picture of him this year where he doesn’t look to 85. How you all see him as electable is unbelievable. FT wouldn’t get close to Bob Dole. Do you really think the general electorate would vote for an acknowledged lobbyist, one of the most despised occupations.
You could be right. I was talking to a financially secure gay businessman & democrat donor today here in Miami and he told me he detests Hillary and would be voting for Guiliani. He also said that half the people supporting Hillary are only doing so because of Bubba.
YESSSSS!!! Mr. Hurt sounded interested when I sent him the note, but after a few days I figured it was just going to fall through the cracks. I’m glad Giuliani’s huge SNAFU is getting some coverage. What a freak and a fraud he is.
Rudy who?
“MORE ASKING IF RUDY HAS RIGHT STUFF”
Asked and answered: He doesn’t. And we have better candidates who do (Thompson, Romney, Hunter, Huckabee, etc.)
“In 1981 PresReagan appointed Alan Greenspan as chairman of the Social Security reform commission. Its job was to come up with a plan to reform Social Security and make it fiscally solvent once again. That is exactly what happened. Social Security taxes did go up, from 4.8% to 5.7% (Today 6.2%). Reagan achieved reform with a hostile House controlled by the Dems. A compromise of sorts.”
Reagan’s biggest tax increase. YUCK.
If we let SocSec taxes get raised again to “save” social security , we are only chipping away at our economic freedom and our prosperity. bleeech.
How can you be so blind?
The RINO Rudy is gaining in NH. Not good.
The article you linked to it about the fact that Romney still leads in Iowa and NH and they want expectations set lower to make any hoped for win a ‘real win’.
BTW, Romney is much much less of a RINO than Rudy, he is for FMA, signed tax pledges and spending cut pledges, wants Roe v Wade repealed, wants the border and to end sanctuary cities and no amnesty; so dont put thrice-married Rudy in the same boat with him.
“Conservatives are saying no to RINOs.”
Yeah, is that why Rudy is leading the field nationally?
wishful thinking alert.
“Frontrunner Giuliani Leading Among Most Republican Subgroups”
Looks like we have our work cut out for us folks.
Letters to editors to show readers how liberal Rudy is comes to mind.
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