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The War of 1812 revisited
National Post ^ | September 28, 2007 | Chris Wattie

Posted on 09/28/2007 7:17:34 AM PDT by Squawk 8888

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1 posted on 09/28/2007 7:17:35 AM PDT by Squawk 8888
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To: GMMAC; fanfan

Pass the popcorn ;-)


2 posted on 09/28/2007 7:18:20 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Is human activity causing the warming trend on Mars?)
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To: Squawk 8888

Who won the last battle of the war? I believe it may have been the Battle of New Orleans where Wellington’s finest fought some American named Jackson


3 posted on 09/28/2007 7:22:10 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: Squawk 8888
"If it hadn't been for the War of 1812, we'd all be part of New York state today."

I'm with her 100%...

4 posted on 09/28/2007 7:24:17 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: Squawk 8888

Does the phrase “We have met the enemy and he is ours” mean anything to you?


5 posted on 09/28/2007 7:24:22 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Squawk 8888

The U.S. did win the war. The Brits were out to undo the Revolution and they failed to do so. Sounds like an American victory to me.


6 posted on 09/28/2007 7:25:15 AM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3rd Bn. 5th Marines, RVN 1969. St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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To: vbmoneyspender
Actually, the Americans won the last 3-4 big battles, including Chippewa and Lundy's Lane. The Brits' only important victory on offense was the "Bladensburg Races" where they sacked Washington---but it was defended by militia. When the Brits fought our regulars ("Those are regulars, by God!") they took a drubbing.

At New Orleans, Jackson had a remarkable combination of regulars, militia, free blacks, Indians, and pirates (without whom he would not have been able to hold his trenches, because the pirates provided most of the cannons and virtually all of the expert gunnery, all without Johnny Depp!) It was the previous days' artillery duel, essentially won by the Americans/pirates, that left Packenham with no choice but to try to advance in the open, to a slaughter.

7 posted on 09/28/2007 7:27:06 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: vbmoneyspender

The Americans won the battle of New Orleans but it was fought *after* the peace treaty was signed.


8 posted on 09/28/2007 7:27:51 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Is human activity causing the warming trend on Mars?)
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To: vbmoneyspender
“Fired our guns and British kept a coming, there wasn’t quite as many as there a while ago. Fired once more and the heap began a runnun, down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexicoooooooooooo”
9 posted on 09/28/2007 7:28:07 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: ConorMacNessa
Although it essentially ended as a stalemate, I think you could make a pretty good argument that in the long run, both Canada and America "won", in that both eventually ended up free and independent.

And in spite of the occasional geopolitical disagreements that may pop up, with the trade relations and the world's largest unmilitarized border, each country today is without a doubt one of the strongest allies to the other.

10 posted on 09/28/2007 7:29:37 AM PDT by jpl (Dear Al Gore: it's 3:00 A.M., do you know where your drug addicted son is?)
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To: Squawk 8888

“conquering canada”?

I view it as convincing canada to stop allowing those rascally british insurgents and their mercenaries a second bite at the apple from canadian territory.........


11 posted on 09/28/2007 7:30:24 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: ConorMacNessa
The Brits were out to undo the Revolution and they failed to do so.

Wrong. Read up a bit on James Madison, the War Hawks and Manifest Destiny. The Americans believed that they should control all of North America and invaded Canada in an attempt to make it happen. After they failed in their objective, they set their sights on Mexico instead.

12 posted on 09/28/2007 7:30:38 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Is human activity causing the warming trend on Mars?)
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To: vbmoneyspender

NOLA needed a pirate to save it. It’s gone downhill since then.


13 posted on 09/28/2007 7:30:41 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Squawk 8888
The Americans won the battle of New Orleans but it was fought *after* the peace treaty was signed

I don't think the cell phone towers had coverage for that area back then :0)

14 posted on 09/28/2007 7:30:50 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Squawk 8888
I'd love to see some of you Freepers views on this war. I'm more interested in the reasons the war was fought.
I read Niagra but it hardly touched on the whys, only the wheres and whens.
15 posted on 09/28/2007 7:31:28 AM PDT by GeneralisimoFranciscoFranco (I love liberals. They taste like chicken.)
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To: Squawk 8888; GMMAC; Clive; exg; kanawa; conniew; backhoe; -YYZ-; Former Proud Canadian; ...


16 posted on 09/28/2007 7:31:48 AM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: Squawk 8888
As a point of interest for our current situation:

American politics was pretty heated during the runup to the war. The Federalists opposed the whole thing and denounced Madison's supporters as "warhawks".

After the war ended, the Federalist Party pretty much disappeared, political feelings became much more mellow, and the Era of Good Feelings ensued.

17 posted on 09/28/2007 7:32:07 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: Squawk 8888

I was always under the impression that the U.S. lost the War of 1812. If we had won, then what is now known as southern Ontario — and perhaps everything in Ontario south of the Ottawa and Mattawa Rivers — would have become part of the U.S.


18 posted on 09/28/2007 7:33:25 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: vbmoneyspender

‘Who won the last battle of the war? I believe it may have been the Battle of New Orleans where Wellington’s finest fought some American named Jackson’

They certainly weren’t Wellingtons finest - they were busy defeating Napoleons superpower forces at Waterloo as was Wellington with his 67000 troops. The 8000 sent to New Orleans were strictly what was left over. The dregs we often used to pursue skirmishes in minor colonies.

I’m pretty sure America won most of the battles in Vietnam too, but to call it a victory is a tad optimistic. :)


19 posted on 09/28/2007 7:33:26 AM PDT by britemp
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To: Squawk 8888

“The Battle of New Orleans”
Performed by: Zachary Richard
Written by: Jimmy Driftwood

In 1814 we took a little trip
Along with Colonel Jackson down the mighty Mississip,
We took a little bacon and we took a little beans
And we fought the bloody British in the town of New Orleans.

We fired our guns and the British kept a-coming
There wasn’t nigh as many as there was a while ago.
We fired once more and they begin a running,
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico
Ole Hickory said we could take ‘em by surprise
If we didn’t fire our muskets ‘till we look ‘em in the eyes.
We held our fire ‘til we seen their faces well
Then we opened up our squirrel guns and really gave ‘em, Well..
[ chorus ]
They ran through the briars and they ran through the brambles
And they ran through the bushes where the rabbits couldn’t go.
They ran so fast that the hounds couldn’t catch ‘em
On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.
[ chorus ]
We fired our canons ‘til the barrel melted down
Then we grabbed an alligator and we fought another round.
We stuffed his head with cannon balls and powdered his behind,
And when we shot the fire off the gator lost his mind.


20 posted on 09/28/2007 7:33:51 AM PDT by tumblindice
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