Posted on 09/22/2007 6:29:53 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007
1. Last time I checked, the judicial branch was still considered a coequal branch to the federal government and all references to persons throughout the founding documents referred to unconvicted human beings.No, it was a coequal branch of the Federal government. But ever since it established for itself judicial review in Marbury v. Madison, it has been above the other two.
The Declaration of Independence was a letter to King George III from a group of British subjects under his rule. It predates the United States of America and is not the nation's law.
2. The founders enshrined their reasoning for a new country into the Declaration of Independence: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are CREATED equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain UNALIENABLE rights, that among these are LIFE, LIBERTY,and the Pursuit of Happiness- That TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, Governments are instituted among men...."(1776)
Yes, restricting the Federal government from taking the life of anyone without due process first. Abortions are not performed by the government. They are performed by private citizens not in the employment of the government. Now if we had a complete government take over of healthcare that outlaws all private practice (HillaryCare), then you would possibly have a case.
Fast forward to the US Constitution, which bound the federal government to specific obligations: 3. "...nor be deprived of LIFE, liberty, or property, without DUE PROCESS of law..." (amendment 5-Bill of Rights),restricting the federal government(and all of its reps) from taking the life of innocent human beings.
Once again, the Constitution does not protect you from being murdered. The states don't even do that. They just punish the person who did it after the fact. Roe v. Wade prevents the states from exercising their constitutional right to define any laws regarding abortion. Fred Thompson wants to change that. His way is the only realistic way laws governing abortion can be observed again.
4. The federalists argued that natural rights-ie-those that come from a Creator, like the right to life,are beyond the authority of government to deny because they are rights that come from God, and not the government. The government does not give life, and may not take it away. The federalists also argued for divided government to help defend our rights-to prevent tyrants from whimsically killin and incarcerating us. Different branches of the federal govt. have different duties, and some duties are reserved to the states, but all public officials HAVE A FUNDAMENTAL DUTY TO PROTECT INNOCENT LIFE. That is the purpose of government.
But that's not what you said at all.
5. Amendment XIV, ratified in 1868, incorporated the Fifth Amendment's DUE PROCESS clause and the EQUAL Protection Clause protecting the RIGHT TO LIFE OF INNOCENT PERSONS, thus declaring that neither the state nor the federal governments could deny any innocent human being his/her RIGHT TO LIFE or their DAY IN COURT. 1973-The liberal court, in Roe v. Wade, announces it will ignore "the well-known facts of fetal development" and discover a right to abortion-a euphemism for killing innocent preborn human beings. So, let me say again: Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity
You know, I really like Duncan Hunter, and yes, I do like RPs stand on some of the issues like border security, governmnet fiscal responsibility, smaller government, his stand on the 2nd Amendment, etc....
But I must say, your comment about most of RPs supporters being Nazis is really disgusting.
As I already explained, I’m not talking about his half dozen supporters here, I’m talking about the ones behind the concerted effort to spam all the online polls, blogs, and YouTube comments on behalf of Ron Paul. As it turns out, these efforts are being directed primarily from a neo-nazi website.
Sorry for the confusion.
Pandering is what the special interest groups want. If I thought that Fred, Rudy, Mitt could win some votes there with just their honest agendas and platforms, I would criticize them for not showing. But, this is a done deal. 7% blacks vote Pub and that is not going to change very soon. Probably 30% of Hispanics will vote Pub and that is still up for grabs. Where the 4 campaign in lieu of this Balt. debate, may be more important to their campaigns than kow towing to Tavis Smiley.
An excellent blog by a soldier just returned from Iraq, Army of Dude describes his arrival back home:
It has been a week since our triumphant return to the states, to America, the first world. And as it wasn’t quite like I imagined in June, it was every bit as wonderful and surreal as I thought it would be. Every moment leading up to the march to the gym was met with cheers and hysterical laughter. Getting off the plane, turning in our guns, getting on a bus…at every step we got closer to seeing loved ones. You could feel it in your face and hear it in the voice of anyone you talked to.One of my favorite bloggers, Jim Henley, commented on this, and I really encourage everyone to read the whole thing:We took a bus to the base gym, where our friends and family waited for us. We stopped short to get lined up nice and neat so we could march in with our backpacks and laptop cases around our necks. Near the entrance there were people already holding signs and clapping. Someone yelled, “hey, Horton!” but luckily I wasn’t met with a barrage of cabbage and apple cores. A few more steps and we entered the gym. By the crowd’s reaction, it’s as if we won the Superbowl. We stopped in the center and it was still so loud no one heard the shortest speech of all time given by a general. “Good job etc, proud of you all yadda yadda, be safe and so forth.” On that note, it became a mad house as people rushed from the bleachers and into the scattered formation. Foregoing all military discipline, I looked around the room while at attention to locate my family. As the gym started to clear out I found Bryan, also family-less, and we agreed to look together. Suddenly I caught a glimpse of my dad running up, with my mom not far behind and with her, Lauren.
One of the first things I said to my dad after a big hug was, man, that was a long twelve months.
Seeing my mom get teary-eyed almost made me let loose, but I held my composure by making a point to. Lauren told me she wasn’t going to be there, as to make it a family event. But she decided to come and we’re both glad she did. A beautiful moment with a beautiful woman. Yes, this is what I’ve been missing.
Make no mistake, if the Congress “votes against money for the troops” and the angry antiwar “base” forces a precipitous withdrawal, you’ll see this nightmare scenario replicated on bases all over America, even in Western Europe and East Asia - a hundred-fifty thousand little “defeats.”
“The unalienable rights listed in the Declaration cannot be assumed to have quite the same force of law as something written in the Constitution or in the Bill of Rights”
The Fifth Amendment IS in the Bill of Rights.
It is undeniable that the product of human reproduction, growing in the womb, is a human being. Human being and person were interchangeable until the Supreme Court declared corporations persons in the 19th century, and then declared human beings not to be persons in the 20th c.
Abortion requires an action that ends the life of the biologically unique human being in the womb.
Abortion requires an act that kills a human being-a person.
The unborn human being is therefore denied his due process and his unalienable right to life.
Roe v. Wade is unconstitutional.
To view the rally on Saturday, follow these directions:
1. Visit http://www.helloworld.com/RonPaul2008
2. Then click on “Watch helloTV” (top left corner)
3. Then click on “Who’s on Now”
4. Scroll down the page and click “Watch!” on the “Ron Paul Broadcast Announcement”*****
I think the Ron Paul supporters wanting to watch this have overloaded Helloworld servers, as I can’t pick it up 50 minutes after it was suppose to start.
The SCOTUS struck down all state laws restricting abortion by denying the personhood of the unborn child.
The justices who perpetuate and, by their decisions, authorize the deaths of innocent human persons, are violating founding principles, God’s laws, which the founders acknowledged by enshrining natural law rights, and the US Constitution.
Anyone who hides behind federalism to defend baby-killing is a coward.
You make alot of stupid statements, Counterpunch, including your arrogant “emotional outburst” and “Judge judy” statements. Do you make PMS statements and recommend hysterectomies, too, whenever you talk to people who disagree with you?
Federalism doesn’t defend abortion. Leaving abortion law in the hands of the Federal government (as it has been since 1973) does. That’s what you started out advocating.
You now are making a case for why Roe v. Wade was wrongly decided. OK. The place to take that case is the Supreme Court. The desired outcome is to have Roe overturned. The end result is the proper restoration of Federalism, with the states free once again to ban abortion. See, most already did that once before, which is exactly why the Federal government decided to step in and take jurisdiction away from them on Constitutional grounds. Which is what you have been arguing in favor of.
By what principle does one defend his life, or have a right to defend it, if one does not first have a right to his life?
The right to life is unalienable, and neither the federal government nor the state governments have any authority to approve of it, regulate it, endorse it, make us pay for it, etc.
The right to defend oneself and/or one’s family, is an extension of one’s right to his life in the first place.
The founders, unlike alot of the faux federalists, actually studied philosophy and history, and learned from it. They did not trust man to act altruistically.
All epublic officials have a duty to protect human life.
If Fred thompson is asserting, as his supporters say, that abortion is a federalist issue, and should be returned to the states to decide for themselves whether the most fundamental, supreme human right, that of life,is negotiable, he is either ignorant, evil, or a coward.
Totally different. Tavis Smiley is not a journalist. He is a proven partisan. The Dems didn't want to go on Fox, a legitimate broadcast network. And the Black Caucus sponsored their debate.
The contrast between the question and the answer given will reveal what needs to be known about the candidate. GO DUNCAN HUNTER!
The question will be an attempt to embarrass and ridicule. The audience will be hostile. It is going to be a farce. Anyone who participates shows a serious lack of judgment. I like Duncan Hunter but he doesn't stand a chance of getting the nomination. Have a good day.
The venue is an historic black college. The audience will be hostile and the questions absurd. The fact is that blacks are the Dems most loyal and rabid constituency regardless of what their economic status is. Expect lots of questions about Katrina, Jena 6, and bigoted Reps who are anti-immigrant and oppose the WH and Sen McCain's plan for comprehensive immigration reform.
I can just picture the TV shots of the audience, acting either disgusted or snickering as the Reps answer the one sided "when did you stop beating your wife" questions.
Also the anti-illegal immigration message should play well there as the 4 students executed in N. J., by at least one illegal immigrant, were all going to attend this university
Expect Jena 6 and affirmative action to be big topics. Maybe other issues like DC statehood and reparations. I watch Tavis Smiley's annual "State of the Black Union" on C-SPAN every year. It is a one-sided Rep/Bush bashing affair.
Here are Tavis' views on immigration
"What we need now in Black and Brown America is some coalition building. It is the same now as it has been for quite some time–we’re fighting over crumbs from the table. We’re fighting over a slice of the pie rather than getting our fair share of the pie, or for that matter, baking a larger pie. Things have to change in a multi-cultural, multi-racial, multi-ethnic America. And so I had a real issue with the woman who would not give her name because I don’t want to approach this as an issue of division, rather one of finding come common ground and building some coalitions, that’s number one.
"Number two, with all due respect to my black brothers and sisters, I do not know too many black folk who are truly, truly interested in doing some of the menial work, to use his word, that these immigrants do. I don’t see a bunch of brothers lining up to park cars and bus tables and wash dishes and nanny babies manicure lawns. Let’s be honest about it, everybody likes to make that argument and the irony of it is that here’s the one place where black folk, liberals, progressives (so-called), and conservatives end up in bed together, strange bed-fellows. Everybody, when they want to bastardize or demonize the immigrant says they’re taking our jobs. Who wants these jobs? Nobody wants these jobs."
"I can tell you right now, if these twelve million–or whatever that number is–if everyone of those immigrants just got up and walked back across the border, it would wreck our economy. It would completely wreck it and a whole lot of folk would be pulling their hair out, jumping out of windows and going crazy, ‘who’s going to nanny the baby, who’s cutting my grass?’ At the restaurant your tables can’t get bussed, your cars can’t–I live in L.A.–your car can’t get parked. I mean, it would just completely wreck our economy and we don’t want to be honest about that."
Tavis is a fool and a racist.
Only for those inclined to get into a snit if they perceive a slight.
Rooty’s cellphone ain’t got enough minutes left to deal with this stuff!
You are the only one in a snit, lovey. :)
I take it you didn’t watch that debate either? There were questions asked that neither of those candidates you mentioned have touched with any substance.
Thanks for the ping.
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