Posted on 09/20/2007 6:40:58 PM PDT by Petronski
Over the last two days The Oregon Poll was seen by almost 400 "unique visitors," most of them in support of Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul. The majority of these people came from these two links on the web.
ronpaulforums.com
stormfront.org
You're a good sport and I respect that.
There are a couple of other Paul supporters on here that I respect also (in fact, one is a very good friend whom I know personally IRL).
I wish I could say that for more of them, but unfortunately, the majority have been nasty, screechy, rude and childish.
Thanks for being one of the good ones. :-)
are you about finished ?
I am astounded by the number of people who don't recognize this. Yellow dog democrats don't vote republican. These neo-nazis are descendants of the confederates who did the lynching after the Civil War. The two groups who were most often lynched were blacks and republicans. Their Aryan hatred for the Jews knows no bounds. They may not all be physical descendants of the murderers, but they are all ideological descendants.
If Ron Paul does not move quickly and forcefully to disassociate himself from these people, he'll be branded worse than just a kook.
Fortunately this article is from an internet site and he's not identified as a Republican. Not the NY Times or Washington Post who will be glad to make the Republican-right wing hate connection.
No Ron Paul didn’t write the article, so in a sense he’s not responsible for the support. But yes, Ron Paul is advertised as a regular columnist for the American Free Press.
And yes, if Republican’s are going to make an issue of Hillary, Obama and moveon.org, this leaves them vulnerable to a similar charge. It’s stupid to look to these venues for support.
Media Kit-American Free Press We are also proud to publish these columnists:Rep. Ron Paul, a medical doctor, is a Republican member of the U.S. Congress who represents the 14th District of Texas. Often called “Dr. No” because he bucks his party establishment, refusing to support policies contrary to traditional constitutional principles, Paul was the Libertarian Party presidential candidate in 1988.
Paul Craig Roberts, Ph.D., a former editor at The Wall Street Journal, is the author of several books. He has been associated with the Hoover Institution, and the Institute for Political Economy and from 1981 to 1982 served as assistant secretary of the treasury for economic policy.
Charley Reese is a nationally syndicated columnist whose no-holdsbarred style has won him a host of devoted followers who relish his free-wheeling, unabashed love of the truth, no matter whose ox is gored. Long associated with The Orlando Sentinel, Reese was formerly active in a variety of state, local and national political endeavors.
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The American Free Press: Water-Boy for Anti-Semites and Conspiracy Theorists
When a fringe conspiracy theorist like Alex Jones or the makers of Loose Change, or a bigot like David Duke cites a newspaper article to support his contention that George W. Bush planned 9/11 to help the Jews steal Iraq’s oil, say, chances are that article was published in the American Free Press. Nationalist, racist, free from the restrictive standards of actual journalism, it is the paper of record for politically minded ignorant lunatics all across the United States.
The American Free Press has only been published since 2001, but its roots reach back over fifty years. It was founded by far-right author and activist Willis Carto. Carto was an admirer of pro-Nazi writer Francis Parker Yockey, and was so impressed with Yockey’s book Imperium (isn’t that the perfect neo-fascist book title?) that he wrote one of his own, titled Profiles in Populism, which included glowing biographies of Thomas Jefferson, as well as Catholic priest/radio personality/Third Reich cheerleader Charles Coughlin, and industrialist and candid anti-Semite Henry Ford. In 1955 Carto founded Liberty Lobby, a nationalist and white supremacist political organization. He also started his own publishing house, Noontide Press, which reprinted Yockey’s Imperium as well as Henry Ford’s The International Jew: The World’s Foremost Problem and the completely discredited and exposed hoax The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
In 1975, Carto’s Liberty Lobby began publishing a weekly newspaper called The Spotlight. By the 1980s, circulation of The Spotlight was around 200,000. The paper went out of business, along with Liberty Lobby, after losing a lawsuit in 2001 to the Legion for the Survival of Freedom, another right-wing extremist organization. The website LibertyLobby.Org maintains an archive of Spotlight articles with headlines like “Alert: [Janet] Reno’s Police-State Power Grab,” and “Jefferson Did Not Father Child With Slave.”[1] Carto and his corps of loyal writers from The Spotlight soon regrouped, and later in 2001 published the first issue of their new weekly newspaper, the American Free Press.
The AFP’s website is so poorly designed, one might be forgiven for mistaking it initially for a very tame porn site. Ads dominate a right-hand column, and the first message greeting readers below the title and navigation bar is a plea for donations — “beyond your annual subscription,” if you please. The similarities to organized religion don’t end there. Like other true believers, the writers and readers of the American Free Press prefer their own distortions, exaggerations, misinterpretations and misconceptions to objective reality. The front page today (9/18/2007) prominently features an article supporting pro-conspiracy theorist presidential candidate Ron Paul, with an article kicking up dust over the supposedly imminent, sovereignty-destroying North American Union just below.[2]
Willis Carto (who also publishes the blatantly racist Barnes Review) and those like him cling to their delusions as devoutly as monks in a sacred order. Facts that undermine their pro-white, anti-Jewish, xenophobic, nationalistic view of the world are dismissed as blithely as a Christian fundamentalist dismisses radiometric dating or the Big Bang theory. And some ties to Christianity are still more direct; among the banner ads at the bottom of the front page are a graphic urging readers to join “Gideon’s Elite” and “prepare for kingdom service,” and another that states flatly “the Jews are not the Israelites of the Bible” and then seems to make the bizarre claim that Jews are responsible for cancer and diseases in livestock. Most mainstream American Christians object to the attempt by white supremacists like Carto to link their fascist ideologies to the philosophy of Jesus, but there is undoubtedly a small minority who believe that Carto, his staff of writers, and the religious extremists who advertise within the pages of the AFP, have gotten it just right.
There is also a small banner ad near the bottom of the front page for tax protester organization the Free Enterprise Society. How could there not be? The AFP is a champion of numerous conspiracy theories, including income tax denial, but most notably the unsupported and totally refuted claim that the 9/11 terrorist attacks were an inside job, planned and perpetrated, or at least consciously allowed by the United States government or some mysterious higher power still. Articles from the AFP are cited numerous times in Loose Change and by conspiracy delusionist Alex Jones in several of his hysterical documentaries.
The AFP has become so associated with the Alex Joneses of the world that other conspiracy theory organizations, mostly members of the 9/11 Truth Movement grasping at credibility, have disowned it. OilEmpire.Us, a 9/11 Truther website that characterizes the attacks on the Twin Towers and Pentagon as an “American Reichstag fire,” has a page devoted to the AFP that describes it as “an ultra-right-wing Holocaust denial publication,” and blames the paper for propagating “One of the most absurd hoaxes yet floated to distract the 9/11 truth movement,” namely “the claim that Flight 93 never existed.”[3] When a website that claims John F. Kennedy was killed by the CIA as a “coup d’etat against democracy” wants nothing to do with your newspaper, you have gone too far.[4]
That doesn’t bother Willis Carto, though, I’m sure. To an old Nazi like him, the sight of the 9/11 Truth Movement eating its own tail must be a familiar one. Following George Wallace’s unsuccessful presidential bid in 1968, Carto took control of the Youth for Wallace organization and transformed it into the overtly racist National Youth Alliance. In a precursor to the death of Liberty Lobby at the hands of rival white supremacists, Carto lost control of the National Youth Alliance to fellow neo-fascist William Luther Pierce, who rechristened it the National Alliance and built it into the largest and most infamous neo-Nazi association in the country. If Carto, who is 81, lives long enough to overstay his welcome at the American Free Press, he may disappear for a few months, only to reemerge with yet another new and better outlet for his thinly-veiled National Socialism, racism, and conspiratorial rantings. One advantage of being a worm: there are always plenty of rocks to crawl under.
‘There are a couple of other Paul supporters on here that I respect also...’
Same here.
What difference does the origin of the term “anti-Semititic” make? My point was that Jews and Arabs are Semites.
But my major point is that many people on the right (including many on FR) love to use the term “anti-Semitic” against anyone who dares to question or criticize the Israeli government.
Post 384 might interest you.
He needs to dissassociate himself immediately, a shame it can't be retroactive, or the Republican candidates should disassociate him, as the Dems should move on.
Which has nothing at all to do with antisemitism, but if it was just free association, forget the comment.
But my major point is that many people on the right (including many on FR) love to use the term “anti-Semitic” against anyone who dares to question or criticize the Israeli government.
People on the left do that too, you must have missed it.
Ron Paul has disassociated himself numerous times from truthers....If he did it a thousand more times, you just find some excuse to smear him.
To consolidate their influence, the Masters of the Media and their international corporate allies reward obedient journalists with membership in the Council on Foreign Relations or the Trilateral Com mission where they rub shoulders with others in the international policy-making networks. A handful get promoted to the higher ranks of the secret Bilderberg Group
I'm hurt, no mention of the Masons....oh wait, never mind, they cover everyone..
...hadowy secret societies that shape world events and control people’s lives from behind the scenes—Masons, Templars, the Illuminati and the whole crew...
http://209.85.165.104/custom?q=cache:ys3XG-TNDXQJ:www.americanfreepress.net/Issue_29_30_Master_2004.pdf+Masons&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=pub-5329003121141183
You’re quite a few steps behind in this debate.
David Duke is for the second amendment.
mnehrling is against racial preferences.
David Duke is against racial preferences.
Therefore, mnehrling and David Duke are birds of a feather.
That would be true if only you added one more step, mnehrling writes an article for David Duke’s website or regularly is a guest on David Duke’s radio show.
As you'll note from the article, Willis Carto is a prominent neo-nazi/Holocaust denier.
I suppose he can't do much about loons like that supporting him, but Ron Paul is still advertised as a columnist in the American Free Press media guide. For their print publication. He can do something about that, and should.
Same goes for the Council of Conservative Citizens, who also claim him as a columnist in their print publication, The Citizen Informer. He should do something about that too.
IMO, while he's at it, he should stay off radio shows like Political Cesspool, unless he's there to condemn the racist fare they often put on.
Any yes, I understand his supporters disagree. But they can't feign ignorance when he gets support from places like duke.com and stormfront, he markets to them after all.
>> That is a responsibility you have to your children. It is a valid analogy if you assume that the proper relationship between the federal government and the citizens is that the government treat them as children. <<
No, the government, in this analogy, is likened to the parent who does NOT deserve the custody. There is a demand for telecom access. That demand is rightfully met by the free market. But because the government has assumed the responsibility of dictating the terms of telecom service, there is no free market. We both agree that the government doesn’t RIGHTFULLY have the responsibility to chose television access, but it TOOK that responsibility away from free society. Now that it has that authority, it is IRRESPONSIBLE to claim on the one hand that free expression does not prevent the government from regulating the cable industry, but on the other hand, free expression requires the government to provide pornography.
The only speech Ron Paul’s vote would free is pornography. And that is sick.
They've got a long track record. If you recall Pat Buchanan's brief (and unexplained) flirtation with Holocaust denial (1990), the already debunked idea that you can't kill Jews (ironically a technique developed on Russian POWs) with diesal fumes. That was published in Carto's Spotlight.
The Republican Party just doesn't need to be associated with this stupidity.
Well....I’m happy that you admit that you almost birds of a feather with David Duke for agreeing with him so often.....Now please tell me when Ron Paul has been a guest on “David Duke’s show.” BTW, I didn’t know Duke had a show....but then you guys do stick together.
The results are interesting.
Aren’t they?
It says everything we need to know about the Ron Paul candidacy — A Gathering of Kooks.
I don’t know about your opinion that it is a gathering of kooks. I saw Ron Paul on TV and believe me, he was absolutely serious about removing all the benefits given to illegals— all of them, no benefits whatsoever! To me that is a self-deport mechanism that should be put in place. I’d vote for him, or Duncan Hunter or Tom Tancredo.
Maybe people are just getting so fed up with these entitlement programs for the illegals that they will support anyone who can do something to get rid of the freebies for all illegals.
Got it. Your theory is that anyone who opposes preemptive and undeclared Wilsonian wars is a really deep down a Nazi, anti-semite, Communist, wife beater, and, of course, hangs Rosie posters all over his walls.
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