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Microsoft Suffers Stunning EU Antitrust Defeat
Reuters India ^ | 9-17-07 | David Lawsky and Michele Sinner

Posted on 09/17/2007 6:13:24 AM PDT by webschooner

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To: Ingtar

“Microsoft ought to use their EULA to disable all copies of Windows running in Europe. They could also threaten to stop selling in Europe. They are not completely powerless in this. These are just the two most extreme cases.”

Gosh, I sure hope they don’t do that. That would force Europe to accelerate its adoption of Linux. Moving form a toy OS to a real one would certainly give them a significant advantage over us.


21 posted on 09/17/2007 6:42:39 AM PDT by RussP
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To: webschooner

Same thing should have happened in the US.

Fortunately, with Linux getting better all the time, MS’s domination is nearing an end. ‘Bout time.


22 posted on 09/17/2007 6:51:08 AM PDT by DaGman (`)
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To: RussP

Yeah... maybe we should subsidize them there.

“Don’t worry about the anti-trust ruling, Microsoft, that now falls under the budget for the department of defense. You just keep pushing for Vista adoption in Europe, and, oh yeah, we’ll be using SELinux distros here, so, um, don’t it take it personally.”


23 posted on 09/17/2007 6:51:34 AM PDT by explodingspleen
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To: webschooner

I’m shocked, shocked I tell ya ..............


24 posted on 09/17/2007 6:59:37 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: webschooner
Microsoft is a company as evil as ATT or worse. They should have their corporate charter revoked.

Right now, there is a huge network of compromised Windows machines, called "Storm Bot" that is estimated to be more than 1 million computers in size. Most of the spam and trojans comes from this distributed system, which it is believed is run by the Russian mafia. Only Windows, by nature of its poor design (not because it is ubiquitous) could be compromised on such a wide scale and so easily. And, we are all paying for it in terms of dealing with spam and lost productivity.

Microsoft has shipped in the past and is shipping currently products that in their own way are as defective as toys with lead paint or fertilizer-laced pet food.

25 posted on 09/17/2007 7:02:49 AM PDT by ikka
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To: muawiyah
latest and greatest Windows

LOL

26 posted on 09/17/2007 7:06:14 AM PDT by B Knotts (Tancredo '08!)
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To: ikka
Right now, there is a huge network of compromised Windows machines, called "Storm Bot" that is estimated to be more than 1 million computers in size. Most of the spam and trojans comes from this distributed system, which it is believed is run by the Russian mafia

Spam could be blocked in minutes if internet providers blocked ordinary users from acting as mail servers by default. This is not a big technical problem.

27 posted on 09/17/2007 7:09:50 AM PDT by js1138
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To: Carl LaFong

I’m actually running vista right now and while I don’t believe micorosft should be sued for its production ... well suffice to say I’m somewhat disapointed in it. When are they going to go back to good old dos. White text on a black screen.


28 posted on 09/17/2007 7:11:36 AM PDT by utherdoul
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To: azhenfud

>> Let THEM develop their own software and operating systems.

Ever hear of Linux? and open source applications?

I’m not a Microsoft basher by any means — nor am I a Microsoft cheerleader. I use both Windows XP and Linux every day; each has its strengths, weaknesses, and purpose. I have engineering software that only runs on Windows; ditto for Linux.

But all this talk of MS withdrawing from Europe is silly. They can and will have a replacement — Linux — available to them immediately. MS won’t let that happen by withdrawing from any world market.

Microsoft’s current (low-profile) fight, in case you haven’t heard, is to attempt to use their IP portfolio to intimidate Linux users, kind of like SCO attempted. That’s just as wrong IMO as what the EU is doing to MS.

My conclusion: MS is a big boy. None of this is a surprise to them. They didn’t get where they are by giving up when it gets rough. They already have new directions they havent’s even made public.

my 2c


29 posted on 09/17/2007 7:24:08 AM PDT by Nervous Tick
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To: azhenfud
They do develop their "own software".  Amongst the OSs is SuSE, which is a fine OS.  Nice enough that Novell bought it and I deploy it to public machines in my company because it's dependable and easy to secure.

I don't mind governments going after MS for their scams, I just wish they'd go after MS for the actual scam and not make up some BS about media players and web browsers.

Most of the crap MS pulls to pad their bottom line is esoteric and aimed at businesses - who can afford to pay.  Usually, it's only seen by programmers and IT professionals....but it's there and MS deserves to get hammered for it.

That being said, I'm still a big fan of XP and Office 2000.  SQL 2000 Server and 2003 Server are nice too.

30 posted on 09/17/2007 7:38:08 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: Glenn

Hardly...

MS just got busted for the same crap they’ve been busted for in the past in the US.

Nothing Kangaroo about it.. MS engages in illegal practices, and has been found guilty of it in courts all over the world at various times.


31 posted on 09/17/2007 7:40:20 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay
Nothing Kangaroo about it..

Hogwash. This was about the money.

32 posted on 09/17/2007 8:12:23 AM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: Glenn

Hahaha.. of course it is... all ANTITRUST is about money... its about monopolies using their money to ensure that they never have to face competition.

This is about Microsoft once again being caught engaging in illegal business practices... as they have been caught by many courts around the world doing many times.


33 posted on 09/17/2007 8:17:26 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: webschooner

I’m no fan of the EU and their courts, but this might be a legitimate ruling. I absolutely detest Bill Gates; he’s a ruthless, pimple-assed prick.


34 posted on 09/17/2007 8:18:57 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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35 posted on 09/17/2007 8:21:24 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: HamiltonJay
Ya, some people think having too high of a market share should be illegal.

The regulators quoted in the article crowed about their regulatory powers to reduce their markethshare.

If you don’t like Microsoft, don’t use their products.

What? Your favorite apps don’t run under Linux? As a developer, I can tell you that I see no money in the Stallman world. He said so himself.

You can joyfully celebrate the actions of those who seek to prevent someone from offering their property. But here’s the fun part. Try forcing me to develop software for you.

Good luck with that.

36 posted on 09/17/2007 8:26:27 AM PDT by Rate_Determining_Step (It's in the Koran! Submit or Die)
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To: TomGuy
Based on my wasted time... lost billings

I have a bone to pick with the honchos at Microsoft.

another unhappy customer.

37 posted on 09/17/2007 8:28:58 AM PDT by pointsal (q)
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To: Rate_Determining_Step

I’ve been in the software world since 1983, and yes, Microsoft has been found guilty of anti-trust violations across the globe for decades... and rightly so.

People who think Microsoft is beyond reproach are either incredibly naive, or ignorant.

This is one of the key weaknesses of the “Market As God” world view. Anti-trust laws exist for a reason, if you cared to do a little investigation into history you would see that.

Now, you can not like the laws all you want, but they are part of the world we live in, and companies are required to abide by them. Monopolies often don’t, and get busted for it. Don’t blame the courts for finding a company guilty of doing something against the law that they did.

MS has been found guilty of illegal business practices by courts all over the globe... they are not some beyond reproach organization. Gates ET Al are free to make as much money as they can within the law.. then they go outside the law, they can and should be smacked down for it.

You don’t like the EU’s laws... move there if you don’t live there already, and get into government and change them.


38 posted on 09/17/2007 8:32:58 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: webschooner

I’m sure there will be a lot people here on FR who will be fans of the EU looting an American company for billions to fund their socialism.


39 posted on 09/17/2007 8:33:45 AM PDT by Mannaggia l'America
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To: webschooner

While MS should be able to bundle anything they please this part “More importantly, it endorsed Commission sanctions against Microsoft’s tying together of software and refusal to give rival makers of office servers information to enable their products to work smoothly with Windows, used by 95 percent of computers.” Is a necessary correction.

If your a monopoly on the desktop *and* you bundle other software you should have to publish a robust API!


40 posted on 09/17/2007 8:37:19 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak....)
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