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MADELEINE: 'BODY THROWN INTO THE SEA'
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Posted on 09/15/2007 2:40:29 PM PDT by UKrepublican

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To: Continental Soldier

They have been seen out repeatedly with a large covered stroller. Many people think that’s how they moved her body.

Nobody would open a stroller that had the cover fastened, for fear of waking a sleeping child.


61 posted on 09/15/2007 4:36:59 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Of the potential GOP front runners, FT has one of the better records on immigration.- NumbersUSA)
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To: tjd1454

She could have hurt herself due to being sedated, falling off a bed and hitting her head, or getting up to go to the bathroom and hitting her head in there.


62 posted on 09/15/2007 4:39:07 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Of the potential GOP front runners, FT has one of the better records on immigration.- NumbersUSA)
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To: tjd1454
A plausible scenario is this: After their overmedicated child succumbed, the panicked parents decided they could not bear the cost of being held responsible (loss of jobs, criminal penalties, etc.) They decided their only reasonable option was to dispose of the body, but could not immediately because of all the attention paid to them. Some time later they rented the car and disposed of their child with as much dignity as could be afforded under the circumstances.

that was also my first reaction, however, how much easier would it have been, if the child had been administered a sedative, to maintain that the pills were left where she could access them? In other words, the child took them herself? And seek immediate medical attention by calling an ambulance?

But all this still does not explain the apparent presence of blood.

it certainly doesn't.

I am always reminded of the Lindy Chamberlain case in Australia, the mother went to jail for years before she was exonerated. An 'expert' provided evidence that there was blood found in their vehicle. It turned out to be rust-proofing residue.

63 posted on 09/15/2007 4:52:22 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

If they gave the other children pills too, it would be a bit difficult to claim they ALL got into the pills.

And I don’t know many almost four year olds who would eat pills, anyway.


64 posted on 09/15/2007 5:01:13 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Of the potential GOP front runners, FT has one of the better records on immigration.- NumbersUSA)
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL

You nailed it. A person’s response is an admission or rejection. I too would respond with outrage at a false accusation, not defensive like their statement. This is like Larry Craig pleading guilty instead of being outraged over being “falsely accused” of cruising for gays. This is like OJs lack of outrage at being “falsely accused” of killing his wife.

On their statement alone, I think the McCanns are guilty. I agree with you.


65 posted on 09/15/2007 5:07:10 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: Politicalmom
..but it would be very hard for anyone to disprove that it didn't happen that way...it's generally accepted kids will put almost anything in their mouths.

I only made that suggestion as contrast to how the parents might have explained the presence of sedatives in their daughters system...in comparison to the grotesque theories current.

66 posted on 09/15/2007 5:14:12 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair dinkum!)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
On their statement alone, I think the McCanns are guilty.

Speculation is not evidence. Opinion can sometimes convict innocent people. Lindy 'The Dingo got my baby' could tell you something about that. Australian public opinion was totally against her. There were theories she sacrificed her baby in some weird ritual on Ayes Rock...there was no way she could get a fair trial after the media was through with the story.

I try always to leave the door open for doubt and the possibility of innocence.

67 posted on 09/15/2007 5:23:35 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair dinkum!)
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To: Politicalmom

Possibly, but if she was so heavily sedated as to be fatal, would she have enough strength to move at all? I suppose it is possible that she managed to struggle to the bathroom perhaps to vomit, and fell and hurt herself. I find it doubtful that simply rolling out of bed on to a carpet or whatever would necessarily result in a bloody injury.

Again, explaining the presence of blood is the part the doesn’t seem to fit the scenario of accidental overdosing.


68 posted on 09/15/2007 5:29:25 PM PDT by tjd1454
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
My thoughts exactly. If no one knows what happens, the parents sure have accepted death as the only possible explanation for their missing child.

If this were me, I wouldn’t have the sense to say something like, “find the body and prove...” I’d be insane with worry and overwrought and sickened from depression.

These parents, going on the offensive, are making themselves suspects, legitimately, IMHO.

69 posted on 09/15/2007 5:40:33 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: Continental Soldier

I read that one of the couples they had tapas with had rented the car the previous days, and the Mc Canns took over the rental after that.


70 posted on 09/15/2007 5:44:16 PM PDT by off2pac
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To: ukie55

Kinda like OJ.


71 posted on 09/15/2007 5:50:27 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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To: tjd1454

Apparently overdosing on certain medications causes hemorrhaging. They think the blood came from that. I would assume there would also be traces of the sedative in the blood, which may be what produced this theory.

Personally, I think they probably did kill her accidentally, and being doctors, thought they could get away with it. I’m sure their friends are regretting getting dragged into this.

I think I read in some newspaper report (possibly in the Spanish press, because this has been all over the place and I was in Spain shortly after it happened) that the father had gone “diving” or had gone off saying he was going diving the day after her disappearance. Anybody else remember that?


72 posted on 09/15/2007 5:50:59 PM PDT by livius
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To: tjd1454

They would still be culpable if she was lightly sedated and
struck her head hard enough to kill her, or injured herself badly in some other way, such as drowning. There didn’t have to be an overdose.


73 posted on 09/15/2007 5:51:16 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Of the potential GOP front runners, FT has one of the better records on immigration.- NumbersUSA)
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To: Fred Nerks

Four year olds DON’T put everything in their mouths, especially something nasty like pills. Even most three year olds don’t.


74 posted on 09/15/2007 5:52:44 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Of the potential GOP front runners, FT has one of the better records on immigration.- NumbersUSA)
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To: off2pac

...and I read that one of the people at the dinner offered to check on the children, he came back and told the parents that all was quiet...but he didn’t open the door...

another suspect?


75 posted on 09/15/2007 5:56:16 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair dinkum!)
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To: happinesswithoutpeace
Portuguese 'papers here.

Lots of info. Leaving children alone was apparently not unusual for them, others in their group did it including one who's kids were sick - vomiting ! Incredible.
To judge from comments left in UK newspapers this sort of thing isn't unusual at all.

76 posted on 09/15/2007 5:56:23 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: BunnySlippers

“hiding the body for a month and disposing of it elevates the crime”

Why would you do this and take the risk of someone finding the body? Makes no sense.


77 posted on 09/15/2007 6:06:11 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe; cake_crumb; Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Thank you. Something that really bothers me is how the Mr. & Mrs. went and received an audience with the Pope. I wonder if in their Catholic hearts they went there for forgiveness because of the guilt which must have been eating them up.

Another thing which is bothersome is the report of the woman in an adjacent flat who heard Madeleine screaming “No, Daddy!” over and over the night before. Were they about to force something upon her which would explain her cries? Having to receive an injection would also make a child cry out in fear.

BTW...why did the McCanns return to England? Was this something planned or was it because they knew they were under the microscope?


78 posted on 09/15/2007 6:08:11 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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To: UKrepublican

They found hair in the trunk of a car rented 25 days after the disappearance. Find your suitcases, travel gear. What are the chances that a wheel catches some hair that was pulled off a brush and fell to the floor after her mother brushed her hair? Just a thought.


79 posted on 09/15/2007 6:11:44 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: 1066AD

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?s=b536e85e60ee47a510a89f02530b484a&t=53176&page=3

4. Contradictions between the couple’s statements and those of their friends

a) Gerry says during dinner he got up to check on his children; restaurant staff says only two people from the group left the dinner table and those were Russell O’Brien and Matthew Oldfield
b) Russell arrived late for dinner and left at some point: he said his daughter had vomited and he was waiting for someone to change the bedsheets; the hotel staff say nobody requested clean bedsheets
c) Jane, Russell’s wife, says she saw a man passing on the resort’s street, carrying a child. An Irishman, who was at the same time in the same spot, says he saw nobody pass...

Interesting?


80 posted on 09/15/2007 6:16:48 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair dinkum!)
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