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Senate votes to ban Mexican trucks
AP via Yahoo! News ^ | Sep. 11, 2007 | Suzanne Gamboa

Posted on 09/11/2007 5:09:04 PM PDT by ruination

WASHINGTON - The Senate voted Tuesday to ban Mexican trucks from U.S. roadways, rekindling a more than decade-old trade dispute with Mexico.

By a 74-24 vote, the Senate approved a proposal by Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D., prohibiting the Transportation Department from spending money on a North American Free Trade Agreement pilot program giving Mexican trucks access to U.S. highways.

The proposal is part of a $106 billion transportation and housing spending bill that the Senate hopes to vote on later this week. The House approved a similar provision to Dorgan's in July as part of its version of the transportation spending bill.

Supporters of Dorgan's amendment argued the trucks are not yet proven safe. Opponents said the U.S. is applying tougher standards to Mexican trucks than to Canadian trucks and failing to live up to its NAFTA obligations.

Until last week, Mexican trucks were restricted to driving within a commercial border zone that stretched about 20 miles from the U.S.-Mexican boundary, 75 miles in Arizona. One truck has traveled deep into the U.S. interior as part of the pilot program.

Blocking the trucks would help Democrats curry favor with organized labor, an important ally for the 2008 presidential elections.

"Why the urgency? Why not stand up for the (truck) standards that we've created and developed in this country?" Dorgan asked.

Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, who drafted a Republican alternative to Dorgan's amendment, said the attempt to block the trucks appeared to be about limiting competition and may amount to discrimination against Mexico.

"I would never allow an unsafe truck on our highways, particularly Texas highways," he said.

Under NAFTA, Mexico can seek retaliation against the U.S. for failing to adhere to the treaty's requirements, including retaining tariffs on goods that the treaty eliminates, said Sidney Weintraub, a professor emeritus at the University of Texas LBJ School of Public Affairs in Austin.

The trucking program allows up to 100 Mexican carriers to send their trucks on U.S. roadways for delivery and pickup of cargo. None can carry hazardous material or haul cargo between U.S. points.

So far, the Department of Transportation has granted a single Mexican carrier, Transportes Olympic, access to U.S. roads after a more than decade-long dispute over the NAFTA provision opening up the roadways.

One of the carrier's trucks crossed the border in Laredo, Texas last week and delivered its cargo in North Carolina on Monday and was expected to return to Mexico late this week after a stop in Decatur, Ala.

The transportation bill is S. 1789.


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To: Hornet19

I have acknowledged a number of additional concerns: safety, contraband, illegal immigration, environmental standards, and non reciprocity for US drivers. I do not want the program if there are significant compromises in these areas.


601 posted on 09/12/2007 7:00:24 AM PDT by businessprofessor
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To: Sunnyflorida

Yes I agree about the language and FAA requirements. I am advocating the same for the Mexican drivers and trucks.


602 posted on 09/12/2007 7:01:55 AM PDT by businessprofessor
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To: Sunnyflorida

The same will apply to Mexican trucks. The Mexican trucks will be inspected at the border and final destination.


603 posted on 09/12/2007 7:03:40 AM PDT by businessprofessor
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To: Jedidah
John Cornyn is one of the good guys. You may disagree with him on this point, but it would be a serious loss were he to leave office.

It's that kind of attitude that has helped elect the George Bush and Rick Perry types who want to appease Mexico.
604 posted on 09/12/2007 7:04:26 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

You need to focus on alternatives. The alternative to Bush was Gore. Do you prefer Al Gore to George Bush? I do not agree with Bush on a number of positions including illegal immigration but on balance he is far preferred to Al Gore. I would argue the same for John Coryn. You may disagree with his stance on this trucking issue but on balance he is far preferrable to any rat who may replace him.


605 posted on 09/12/2007 7:07:23 AM PDT by businessprofessor
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To: cbkaty
What puzzles me is that Republican politicians are on the ropes....and anticipating a possible knock out in the next election............so why do they insist on infuriating the base?

Because they can? They know we aren't going to vote for democrats, and so we'll either stay home, vote third party, or vote for RINOs (and believe me, they'll use the threat of a President Hillary or President Obama to try and scare us into voting for them).
606 posted on 09/12/2007 7:09:32 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Toddsterpatriot

How can this be? For years I’ve been told on FR that the WTO supercedes American law!


607 posted on 09/12/2007 7:15:23 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: businessprofessor
You need to focus on alternatives. The alternative to Bush was Gore. Do you prefer Al Gore to George Bush? I do not agree with Bush on a number of positions including illegal immigration but on balance he is far preferred to Al Gore.

Bush vs Gore or Perry versus everybody or whatever - that's not the problem - of course one would prefer even a Bush or Perry to a Democrat (even if it's hard to tell them apart at times).

The problem is, come election time, we end up with a Bush or a Perry as the GOP candidate, and that means the process is broken.

Our system is so screwed up these days - we end up electing somebody, not because they hold the same beliefs we do, but because we think they will win, even though they may hold radically different beliefs than we do. That's a fundamentally flawed way of thinking (and voting). We'll end up with the same amount of harm as if a Democrat won, it's just that it will take longer to arrive at that point.
608 posted on 09/12/2007 7:24:26 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Dane

As I recall your post was related to gas tax fees the Mexican drivers would pay. So what. Are they going to live here, purchase a home, pay local state and federal taxes, support the community businesses?

No.


609 posted on 09/12/2007 7:47:53 AM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: Dane

Dane, IMO you comments are sophmoric. U.S. truckers pay these fees, so they are a wash. Neutral.

What I’ve been addressing is the expenditure of full income in the U.S.


610 posted on 09/12/2007 7:50:20 AM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: papasmurf

Thanks.


611 posted on 09/12/2007 7:51:21 AM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: businessprofessor
You need to focus on alternatives.

Good advice....Sir...

I am considering the alternatives.....the primaries...and I will vote for any conservative that opposes Cornyn...

Rationalization of Republican failures only invite more failures....

Grow up and grow a spine....is my advice to you.

612 posted on 09/12/2007 7:58:07 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: Ben Ficklin

Ben, by 1985 this nation was the most successful nation on the face of mother earth. We didn’t have trading partnerships with pariah states like China, and we didn’t have NAFTA, and we didn’t have FTAA.

I don’t mind trade with other nations. It just makes no sense to sell our souls on issue like this. China? For crying out loud Ben. Take a good look at that nation, what’s it’s doing even today...

I don’t buy into this Ben. I don’t approve of opening our borders, multi-nation security agreements and FTAA.

Sorry bud, I’m not buying it.

You can spend your time giving me excuse after excuse why all this makes wonderful logical sense, and I’ll still not approve.


613 posted on 09/12/2007 7:58:51 AM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: papasmurf
"So far, the Department of Transportation has granted a single Mexican carrier, Transportes Olympic, access to U.S. roads after a more than decade-long dispute over the NAFTA provision opening up the roadways. One of the carrier's trucks crossed the border in Laredo, Texas last week and delivered its cargo in North Carolina on Monday and was expected to return to Mexico late this week after a stop in Decatur, Ala."

I have no idea what you're raving about.

(Maybe you should have checked the license plates on those "co-owned" rigs, Cal is loaded with mexican drivers in US registered trucks and, from years on the 710, I can attest to the low standards of even those trucks.)

614 posted on 09/12/2007 8:01:56 AM PDT by norton
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To: af_vet_rr
They know we aren't going to vote for democrats, and so we'll either stay home, vote third party, or vote for RINOs

That didn't work in the last national election.....did it?

It damn sure won't in the next. I assure you, I will not shoot myself in the foot, but in Texas I will oppose Cornyn in the primaries....

These dragging anchors in the Republican party must be dealt with....no excuses...no rationalizations...

615 posted on 09/12/2007 8:03:51 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: cbkaty
That didn't work in the last national election.....did it?

No, and I think the Republicans will lose a lot more in the next election, and I'm not talking just the White House - I know too many people who are beside themselves over some of the things that Republicans in the WH and Congress have supported. I've never seen this much anger with the GOP from fellow Republicans.

These dragging anchors in the Republican party must be dealt with....no excuses...no rationalizations...

I agree - any Republican who has liberal tendencies, I'll vote for a third party or just not vote for anybody in that particular race. I've heard people say "you have to support the party at all costs, otherwise a liberal wins", and my response, and it pisses people off, is that if you vote for a liberal with an "R" next to their name, you're still voting for a liberal. You're voting for socialism-lite versus socialism, but in the end your still going to get socialism, with the only difference being the time it takes.
616 posted on 09/12/2007 8:16:29 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: DoughtyOne
"by 1985 this nation"

By the 1970s this nation's comparative trade advantage had seriously eroded. That is why she turned to bilateral trade.

617 posted on 09/12/2007 8:20:53 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

Ben, this nation generates something like 300% of the GNP of any other nation on the planet. You did know that right? Only a few nations even comes that close. Generally it’s something like ten or twenty to one.

Trade simply IS NOT the end all be all of national existance.


618 posted on 09/12/2007 8:26:09 AM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: Dane
Exactly, "hundreds" of "stories"(i.e more like urban myths) that you take for the God's honest truth.

Um, sure. Pull your head out of that dark hole of yours and face up to the facts. Illegals from coast to coast are killing US citizens and no BS lie of yours will make that go away.

619 posted on 09/12/2007 8:34:50 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (No buy China!!)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
I get a case of the frowns just thinking of the Democrats and the Teamsters. On this issue, I am in agreement with them.

Someone must have had the light come on in the Democrat Party and the Teamsters. Perhaps even the Longshoreman's Union is seeing the light also.

First: Mexican companies get unrestricted access to U.S. highways.

Second: Companies seeking better profits establish operations just over the Mexican border. American truckers lose jobs.

Third: China, in cooperation with the Mexican Government, builds huge ports in Mexico. American Longshoremen lose jobs.

A huge amount of capital and wages (that giant sucking sound) flow to Mexico, and Americans suffer.

Lastly: Unlimited amounts of drugs, weapons, and illegal aliens, along with the rise in pollution, vehicle fatalities, crime, disease, and welfare entitlements, arrive in America courtesy of NAFTA.

620 posted on 09/12/2007 8:35:55 AM PDT by Enterprise (I can't talk about liberals anymore because some of the words will get me sent to rehab.)
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