Posted on 09/05/2007 3:55:52 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
Viewers of Wednesday night's Republican presidential debate in Durham, N.H., should be sure to have their computers up and running early, as FOXNews.com offers special live streaming video before, during and after the event.
The debate itself, to be aired on FOX News Channel and streamed on FOXNews.com, begins at 9 p.m. EDT (6 PDT).
Moderated by Brit Hume
Candidates participating...
The only freedom any Japanese citizen had prior to the Meiji constitution was to die, the only freedom any Japanese citizen had after the Meiji constitution was to die or work. What would you define as this glorious history of freedom they had?
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No, it wasn't freedom. Not by any definition of the word. I lived there. Have you?
Can't you see? Ron Paul is exactly like Moses! That is why he is so successful and his programs are so popular.
WWII wasnt popular either.
There was much handwringing and gnashing of teeth
Indeed.
Just for laughs, Clinton’s on Larry King right now, lol.
Clinton’s voice is so hoarse and he’s coughing so badly he looks like he’s going to keel over.
Clinton calls Guiliani “surprisingly durable” and acknowledged that Romney is leading in Iowa and NH.
Clinton is slightly dismissive of Thompson.
FWIW. (shrugs)
Remind me, why did that government come to power? What had happened immediately preceding the Weimar Republic's rise?
Again you're disagreeing with the aspect of the government. But it was a representative government
I have read what is was like before America followed Wilson's utopian dreams of global democracy.
Perhaps you could spare a few minutes to read Russell Kirk, founding father of modern conservatism?
"Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace comes to pass in an era of Righteousness -- that is, national or ideological self-righteousness in which the public is persuaded that 'God is on our side,' and that those who disagree should be brought here before the bar as war criminals."
[I]t would be ruinous for the Republicans to convert themselves into a party of high deeds in distant lands and higher taxes on the home front. Such a New World Order, like the Pax Romana, might create a wilderness and call it peace; at best, it would reduce the chocolate ration from thirty grams to twenty. And in the fullness of time, the angry peoples of the world would pull down the American Empire, despite its military ingenuity and its protestations of kindness and gentleness -- even as the Soviet Empire is being pulled down today, thanks be to God. --Russell Kirk
http://users.etown.edu/m/mcdonaldw/Lect321.html Political Errors at the End of the Twentieth Century 2/27/91 Lecture #321
A war for the Scheldt? A war for a chamber-pot!" Burke exclaimed. Now one may say, "A war for Kuwait? A war for an oilcan! --ibid
"Presidents Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, and Lyndon Johnson were enthusiasts for American domination of the world," Kirk said in his speech. "Now George Bush appears to be emulating those eminent Democrats. When the Republicans, once upon a time, nominated for the presidency a 'One World' candidate, Wendell Willkie, they were sadly trounced. In general, Republicans throughout the twentieth century have been advocates of prudence and restraint in the conduct of foreign affairs."
President Bush, Kirk said, had embarked upon "a radical course of intervention in the region of the Persian Gulf. After carpet-bombing the Cradle of Civilization as no country ever had been bombed before, Mr. Bush sent in hundreds of thousands of soldiers to overrun the Iraqi bunkers - that were garrisoned by dead men, asphyxiated."
And why, exactly? "The Bush Administration found it difficult to answer that question clearly. In the beginning it was implied that the American national interest required low petroleum prices: therefore, if need be, smite and spare not!" --ibid.
In short, although we never talk about our empire, a tremendous American Empire has come into existence -- if, like the Roman Empire, in a kind of fit of absence of mind. No powerful counterpoise to the American hegemony seems to remain, what with the enfeebling of the U.S.S.R.
Such a universal ascendancy always has been resented by the lesser breeds without the law. Soon there sets to work a widespread impulse to pull down the imperial power. But that imperial power, strong in weapons, finds it possible for a time to repress the disobedient. In the long run -- well, as Talleyrand put it, "You can do everything with bayonets -- except sit on them." In the long run, the task of repression is too painful a burden to bear; so the Communist Party of the Soviet Union has discovered in the past few years. Napoleon discovered that hard truth earlier and King George III and the King's Friends discovered it between the years 1775 and 1781.
--Russell Kirk
http://users.etown.edu/m/mcdonaldw/Lect321.html
Political Errors at the End of the Twentieth Century 2/27/91
Lecture #321
True, we did not suffer a long war in the deserts of Kuwait and Iraq. But we must expect to suffer during a very long period of widespread hostility toward the United States -- even, or perhaps especially, from the people of certain states that America bribed or bullied into combining against Iraq.
In Egypt, in Syria, in Pakistan, in Algeria, in Morocco, in all of the world of Islam, the masses now regard the United States as their arrogant adversary; while the Soviet Union, by virtue of its endeavors to mediate the quarrel in its later stages, may pose again as the friend of Moslem lands. Nor is this all: for now, in every continent, the United States is resented increasingly as the last and most formidable of imperial systems.
--ibid.
see post #1,738
and the MSM was just as supportive. Anyone remember that issue of ‘Life’?
I just want to say I appreciate your assessment of the debate results. How refreshing it is to see someone comment on all the candidates without gushing over anyone or calling anyone a fruitcake. Thank you.
Chavez was ‘elected’, as was Saddam. Are those ‘representative’? Is there freedom?
I recall no indoor plumbing high unemployment, early death.
It was not a utopia.
we have the best quality of life in the world now.
I’m off for bed ya’ll
I can tell you that you and John are either full of crap or so deluded in trying to eek out a last gasp for Paul you would compromise your own integrity.
The idea of Germany and Japan being “free societies”, even before and after the Great War is laughable at best. From 1920 on is so wrong as to be insane...
That has been going on for many years - it is not recent.
' while the Soviet Union, by virtue of its endeavors to mediate the quarrel in its later stages, may pose again as the friend of Moslem lands.'
You need to read Epicenter by Joel Rosenberg - get a biblical aspect on Russia.
I headed that way once. Now I will again. ‘Night, all.
For all the titles they put on themselves to appease the west in their surrender terms from WW1, this time was almost a Medieval monarchy.
Yeah but, when the George Soros’ spammers aren’t there to help Ron Paul out, he loses in his own state:
Here are all the results:
Duncan Hunter: 534
Fred Thompson: 266
Ron Paul: 217
Mike Huckabee: 83
Rudy Giuliani: 78
Mitt Romney: 61
Ray McKinney: 28
John Cox: 10
John McCain: 8
Sam Brownback: 6
Tom Tancredo: 6
Hugh Cort: 3”
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