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"Neo-Con" Do You Qualify?
PC Free News ^ | September 4, 2007 | JB Williams

Posted on 09/04/2007 11:50:38 AM PDT by PlainOleAmerican

The most popular political slur of our time is the term "neocon." Politically engaged people of several ideologies use the term regularly and although they mean different things when they use it, the term is always intended to be an insult, like the terms "neo-Nazi," and "fascist," also favorite slurs of the same ilk using "neocon." I was first called a “neocon” by known Democratic Socialists upset by my writings in favor of America’s founding principles, Life, individual Liberty and the right to pursue Happiness in a free market society where all things are possible through individual achievement and reward.

Since Democratic Socialists believe in and support Death not Life (abortion), a Greater Communal Good - not Individual Rights and the right to take from achievers via progressive taxation - not the right to live free, earn and retain wealth by the sweat of one’s own brow, I took the term “neocon” as a compliment.

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The hate mail I have received from Ron Paul supporters reads just like the hate mail I have always received from Marxists around the globe and across the aisle. It’s hate-filled overtly angry foul mouthed and threatening rhetoric that reads like it was written by anti-Semitic skin-heads on crack. I doubt that even Ron Paul would be proud of how his supporters behave…

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: conservatism; elections; libertarian; neocons; neoisolationist; ronpaul
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To: BlackElk
Your insistence on trotting out that silly, inane argument -- i.e., that dealing with illegal immigrants by definition must include the deportation of 20 million people -- speaks volumes here.

I'd also add that you don't sound like much of a "neo-conservative" at all . . . you sound more like a pretty conservative guy who has simply thrown up his hands and surrendered on some issues.

161 posted on 09/04/2007 3:02:43 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: uxbridge
Right. John Podhoretz -- whose father was one of the founders of the neo-conservative movement -- made an @ss of himself last summer when he suggested that a Giuliani/Lieberman team (which probably wouldn't COMBINE for an ACU rating higher than 35) would be the ideal Republican ticket in 2008.

Yeah, these morons are "conservative." LOL.

162 posted on 09/04/2007 3:05:12 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: death2tyrants
How am I an imperialist?

Sigh...do any of you have a dictionary?

Imperialism--The practice of one country extending its control over the territory, political system, or economic life of another country

The Armed Forces of these US has extended its control over the 'territory, political system, and economic life' of Iraq in one fashion or another. While you can claim it's short term it still fits the definition. You support this policy, therefore you are a supporter of imperialistic foreign policy

163 posted on 09/04/2007 3:15:52 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: tacticalogic

Can’t wait to see how badly the Galveston paleopipsqueak is crushed in the caucuses and primaries. You will hear that. Tick, tick, tick....


164 posted on 09/04/2007 3:19:23 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk
Can’t wait to see how badly the Galveston paleopipsqueak is crushed in the caucuses and primaries. You will hear that. Tick, tick, tick....

The New Deal steamroller chugs on, to the cheers of the communitarians who never cared for the idea of a republic in the first place.

165 posted on 09/04/2007 3:25:11 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: BlackElk
Can’t wait to see how badly the Galveston paleopipsqueak is crushed in the caucuses and primaries. You will hear that. Tick, tick, tick....

The New Deal steamroller chugs on, to the cheers of the communitarians who never cared for the idea of a republic in the first place.

166 posted on 09/04/2007 3:25:25 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: The_Reader_David

And the late Jeanne Kirkpatrick and the late Daniel Patrick Moynihan.


167 posted on 09/04/2007 3:25:33 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: ejonesie22

Can’t believe it’s still going on....


168 posted on 09/04/2007 3:34:33 PM PDT by PlainOleAmerican
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To: tacticalogic; ejonesie22
Do you think of 1937 as "the good old days" when the GOP was isolationist and had about 8 Senators and was self-stifled in rage against FDR and the New Deal. I don't doubt that the New Deal was ideologically in error but I also see no reason for the conservative movement to suicide over issues on which we were obliterated nearly 70 years ago. Whatever our ultimate objectives, we won't be starting with an attack on New Deal programs. can you define realism????

Likewise, we won't be reviving the foreign policy of Neville Chamberlain or Liberty Bell Lemke or Charles Lindberg. Those who want to do either as a leadoff strategy belong among the Libertoonians along with the dopers and the paleopacifist weenies.

169 posted on 09/04/2007 3:35:39 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk
"The substantial effects doctrine is no test at all. It is a blank check"

-Justice Clarence Thomas.

Right here, right now.

170 posted on 09/04/2007 3:38:28 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: billbears

“The Armed Forces of these US has extended its control over the ‘territory, political system, and economic life’ of Iraq in one fashion or another. “

Ah, the revisionist history of the anti-American crowd. Your fradulent accusations against America would put America in violation of UNSCR 1546, which reaffirms ‘the independence, sovereignty, unity, and territorial integrity of Iraq’ and ‘the right of the Iraqi people freely to determine their own political future and control their own natural resources’. Do you have evidence that the U.S. is in violation of this treaty, and if so, why hasn’t it been presented to the Council?


171 posted on 09/04/2007 3:46:35 PM PDT by death2tyrants
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To: TexasCajun
I thought a Neo-Con was a Jewish Conservative Republican?

Neo-Con, when the term was originated, was a group of mostly "ex"-Communist, entirely anti-Soviet persons. They were certainly not conservative in domestic matters then and, in the opinion of many, are not conservative now. They included Jeane Kirkpatrick, Irvin Kristol, etc.

172 posted on 09/04/2007 3:55:44 PM PDT by jammer
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To: PlainOleAmerican

It never ends. The wind will alwys blow.


173 posted on 09/04/2007 4:13:45 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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To: BlackElk
If you think what happened in 1937 isn't anything to be concerned about, I can't imagine you'll find anything that happened in 1776 or 1789 of any possible consequence at all.

We're supposed to "roll back decades of federal government largesse", without looking back at those decades and the root cause? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.

174 posted on 09/04/2007 4:20:16 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: TexasCajun

I’m not sure, but I have read that a Neo-Con is an allegedly reformed Trotskyite Communist.


175 posted on 09/04/2007 6:06:51 PM PDT by Abcdefg
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To: billbears
When you use your “imperial” powers to put down an unelected tyrant and free a people living in bondage, it’s called “liberating” a nation, not “invading” or “imperial conquering”.

This is the mammoth difference isolationist libertarians refuse to acknowledge.

176 posted on 09/04/2007 7:26:09 PM PDT by PlainOleAmerican
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To: PlainOleAmerican
to put down an unelected tyrant and free a people living in bondage, it’s called “liberating” a nation, not “invading” or “imperial conquering”

And you'll provide the limited government, conservative basis for this action then will you? Or is it now your position that we should 'put down' any leader that doesn't provide the 'right' form of government?

Of course you'll have to make the distinction between 'tyrants' that are currently on the US payroll (i.e. Musharaff), 'tyrants' that are no longer on the US payroll (making them susceptible to removal), or 'tyrants' that are currently keeping their peoples in bondage but their nation's geographical location represents no definitive interest from the current administration

177 posted on 09/04/2007 7:49:44 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: alloysteel
As did Herself, the Cold and Joyless. Where and how did your lives diverge? Ah, the reason was plain. You probably did not go to Wellesley.

this I didn't know....interesting.

179 posted on 09/05/2007 3:44:29 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: PlainOleAmerican

Eh, I’m not convinced. Ron Paul is pro-life.

This guy is trying too hard to make a point that isn’t there, I guess to justify his anti-Ron Paul jihad.


180 posted on 09/05/2007 3:50:52 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Sworn to oppose control freaks, foreign and domestic.)
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