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Immigrant surge leads U.S. toward half billion people
Long Beach Press Telegram ^ | 08/30/2007 10:35:45 PM PDT | Lisa Friedman

Posted on 09/02/2007 10:38:37 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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To: Age of Reason
I remember when they changed the immigration rules in the 1960's, they assured us that the new rules might increase immigration just a tiny amount at most.

Does anyone recall them making it clear that white Christian immigration would be cut to a trickle, either?

-ccm

81 posted on 09/02/2007 12:34:39 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

If we have a reproduction problem, let’s encourage citizens to have children, through tax policy, or public service announcements.


82 posted on 09/02/2007 12:35:34 PM PDT by B Knotts (Tancredo '08!)
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To: rob777
One of the biggest problems facing just about all developing countries, including the U.S., is the comming demographic decline that will result in too few workers supporting too few retirees. An immigration surge is one answer, provided it is accompanied by welfare reform.

Why couldn't we make it a condition of granting the PRIVILEGE of immigration, that the retirement age of immigrants be 5 years later than native born citizens? That would help a lot.

Also, we should stop "anchor baby" favoritism, and instead restore a preference for educated people and wealthy businessmen. "Chain" immigration of shirt-tail relatives, each as poor, ignorant, and dependent on government as the first, is one of the reasons our immigration policy is failing us.

-ccm

83 posted on 09/02/2007 12:40:07 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: ccmay

White Christian immigration as opposed to brown Christian immigration?


84 posted on 09/02/2007 12:42:08 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

From the way it sounds, we need to cap LEGAL immigration as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7WJeqxuOfQ


85 posted on 09/02/2007 12:46:30 PM PDT by Kimberly GG (INVEST IN THE FUTURE - DUNCAN HUNTER '08.....(NO MORE CFRers))
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
"Ideally 100 million armed American citizens would be able to repel an invasion, but they'd still be weaker than 1.5 billion armed Americans."

How about ZERO armed citizens if we allow the amount of immigration you're talking about? If we lose our sovereignty once the elites have their way with making this place that used to be America into something entirely different, a third world hellhole peopled by slave labor, you don't really believe the 2nd Amendment will survive, do you?

86 posted on 09/02/2007 12:55:47 PM PDT by penowa
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

We need a moratorium on immigration and a good housecleaning before we reach third world status.


87 posted on 09/02/2007 12:58:37 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (Catholic4Mitt)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
As was said by Jim Robinson, FR is no place for wimps. Deal with it.

Your ridiculous assertions that we need a population of nearly one and a half billion to stave off the military threat a future global coalition consisting of over 90% of world's nations is simply ridiculous. It's like something straight out of L. Ron Hubbard's writings.

In the world of international relations a multitude of individuals have made a multitude of suggestions/proposals. Nearly 99% of them never actually come to fruition.

We don't need to signicantly increase our population. We simply need to do a much better job of selecting which immigrants to take.

88 posted on 09/02/2007 1:04:48 PM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: ccmay
Does anyone recall them making it clear that white Christian immigration would be cut to a trickle, either?

I don't, but I know of white, educated Europeans who would love to come to America to work and can't get in. Meanwhile, illegal Hispanics and Muslims are given a welcome mat (and welfare assistance).

89 posted on 09/02/2007 1:06:59 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (Catholic4Mitt)
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To: Kimberly GG
From the way it sounds, we need to cap LEGAL immigration as well.

Agreed. We need a moratorium.

90 posted on 09/02/2007 1:09:07 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (Catholic4Mitt)
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To: kinghorse
I know we were crapping our pants re demographics and the social security system some 15 years ago anticipating the huge number of adult Americans (boomers) entering retirement. That’s been somewhat abated by the economics of mass immigration.

The demographics continue to change and the problems with the entitlement programs [SS, Medicare and Medicaid] conitue to grow worse. If people were "crapping our pants" 15 years ago, I would say that they would have even more reason to do so today. They were prescient.

In 1990 the population of the US was 249 million. Today, it is 302 million. By 2050, the population will be 420 million. The demograhics of the country continue to change dramatically after the the 1965 Immigration and Nationality Act. Prior to the act, the United States was overwhelmingly composed of whites of European descent (89% in 1965), with the only minority group of significant size being blacks (10%). Today, Hispanics are about 15% of the population and non-Hispanic whites about 67%. By 2050, Hispanics of all races will be 24.4% of the population and non-Hispanic whites 50%.

These demographic changes are causing social friction, witness the millions of illegals demonstrating in our streets waving Mexican flags shouting. "Today we march, tomorrow we vote." The Senate attempt at amnesty invited a huge backlash from the public and grassroots ogranizations all over the country are fighting back against the invasion of illegals that are causing huge burdens on our schools, hosptials, penal system, and social programs. Several thousand local and state legislative initiative have been passed or in the process of being voted upon. One in eight residents is foreign-born, the highest in over eight decades and will soon be one in seven the highest in our history. Half of the children 0 to 5 in America are minorities. This should give us some pause because blacks and Hispanics have the highest high school dropout rates and number of single parent households and out of wedlock childern. This is the social pathology for failure.

Our entitlement systems represent an unfunded liability of $60 trillion. And nothing has been done in 15 years to fix them. In fact, they are worse given the addition of prescription drugs under Medicare. SS will start paying out more in benefits than it is taking in by 2017. The SS "surplus" starts declinining in 2008. The Medicare program is in even worse shape and will essentially crash around 2013 or 2014 as it consumes more and more of the federal budget.

Mass immigration, legal and illegal, is making the problems worse not better. The economy will suffer as a result. We are headed for a major train wreck within a decade. Look for increased taxation to "save" the entitlement systems. This will hurt, not help, the economy. Enjoy the good times while they last and then start wearing diapers.

91 posted on 09/02/2007 1:09:46 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Out of curiosity, what would be the proper American population size, in your opinions?

First, I favor changing the current immigration system eliminating extended chain migration, making it a merit based system based on the needs of this country, killing the visa lottery program, which brings in 50,000 people a year, and stopping birthright citizenship, i.e., anchor babies. I favor immigration levels of around 300,000 a year [vice 1.2 million today] as recommended by the Jordan commission. Our intake levels would change based on need.

Our current annual population growth rate is .89% a year, 3/4 of which can be attributed to immigration, legal and illegal. I favor about a .25% a year increase in population growth with a US population of about 425 million by the end of this century.

92 posted on 09/02/2007 1:17:43 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Pelham

He was all over the board with his scenarios and “insights”, but when he drifted to space colonization is when I realized the kid is watching too many cartoons.


93 posted on 09/02/2007 1:23:55 PM PDT by HockeyPop
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The immigrant surge is working.

They know that if they keep the surge amped up, it will be only a few years before they have control of this country. It has been a dream of La MECHA and their followers et al for a long time. Now their long held dreams will finally come to fruition.

The dreams of the founders of America on the other hand.......(sound of crickets and snoring politicians).

94 posted on 09/02/2007 1:25:17 PM PDT by R_Kangel ("Please insert witty tag-line here")
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To: VOA
Hispanics flex political power (RAT CANDIDATES PANDER FOR THE LATINO VOTE)
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | September 2, 2007 | JENNIFER HUNTER Sun-Times Columnist

95 posted on 09/02/2007 1:29:50 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Granddaughters!!!)
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To: Age of Reason

Japan has 337 people per square kilometer.
California has 84 people per square kilometer.
Japan is 377,873 square kilometers in area.
California is 423,970 square kilometers in area.


96 posted on 09/02/2007 1:35:28 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: kabar

Because you know, those poor blacks and hispanics are all so ignorant, that’s why we need to have more whites in this country.

</sarc>


97 posted on 09/02/2007 1:38:16 PM PDT by TypeZoNegative (Trinidad&Tobago: Proof that a Muslim minority (5%pop) causes a majority of a country's problems.)
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To: indylindy; Jedi Master Pikachu
The new Bush family land holdings (reportedly 90,000 acres or so) are located in the Paraguayan hinterlands, above a huge, huge aquifer -- nicely sited, some have speculated, for the coming worldwide fresh-water wars. Other features include a 10,000-foot runway, which will handle just about any known aircraft up to and including the Shuttle.

Shelob and Willard's property is much more modest: a residential plot in a nice neighborhood at Punta Cana, in the conveniently located Dominican Republic.

98 posted on 09/02/2007 2:06:35 PM PDT by Tenniel2 (The heroes of Flight 93 diverted the wrong plane.)
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To: kabar

“The US is a developed country, not a developing one.”

I meant “developed”, as the “developing” countries do not have declining demographics, yet.


99 posted on 09/02/2007 2:25:01 PM PDT by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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To: ccmay
“Why couldn’t we make it a condition of granting the PRIVILEGE of immigration, that the retirement age of immigrants be 5 years later than native born citizens? That would help a lot.”




That would help, as would a greater empthasis on learning English and assimilation as part of the process of being granted a green card/citizenship.

100 posted on 09/02/2007 2:31:06 PM PDT by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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