Posted on 08/28/2007 7:26:03 AM PDT by jveritas
Below is a translated thread posted for discussion on a terrorist forum 3 days ago where an Al Qaeda sympathizer said that the "Islamic State in Iraq" which is led by Al Qaeda has been defeated in the provinces of Anbar and Diyala, and that they were only left with one last bastion which is the city and province of Mosul. He said that Al Qaeda old strategy was defeated and that they are now on the run, and that they must come up with a new strategy.
Beginning of the translation:
In the name of allah the most compassionate the most merciful
My Brothers I will leave this subject in your hand for constructive discussions and here it is:
Where is the Islamic State in Iraq heading after they left Anbar, after they left Diyala, after many Iraqis gathered around what is called the Alliance of the Tribes, and after the formation of the secret police. They (***Al Qaeda terrorists) left these areas and they are heading toward Mosul which is their last bastion. I swear to allah that they are our brothers (***Al Qaeda terrorists) and they are pieces of our own hearts but I plead with them to put a new strategy because their old strategy was destroyed and it had so many mistakes. Are they now in a state of Fleeing after they were in a state of offense? In this case it is not good news and allah help us.
Oh allah bring victory to the moujahedeen and I say this form a truthful heart and good intention that only allah knows. I will leave this subject between your hands to deliver it to the leaders of Al Qaeda and the Islamic State so they can prevent what they can prevent and allah help us. I want a solution, I do not want rhetoric, I do not want a fight between the members; we must come up with something.
End of the translation
Our source is the translator.
He has proven his credibility many times over and over, and he has proven his willingness to take on terrorists.
If they do not have an open forum, their capabilities are dramatically diminished.
It’s catch-22.
Al Qaeda is a network of terrorist organizations.
We have consistently taken out the leadership of these organizations over the past few years, and as new leadership has emerged, we’ve taken them out as well.
Yes, Al Qaeda is incompetent. THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN INCOMPETENT. THEY HAVE ALWAYS RELIED upon the liberal base within the US to create political disasters for the US.
Al Qaeda have always been fools.
Al Qaeda have always been incompetent pigs.
Al Qaeda have always been morons and idiots who found and exploited weaknesses in an open society like ours, but ultimately, have nothing going for them other than our own hostile press offices.
If you replace “allah” with “democrats” it makes more sense...
They are soooo busted......thanks for another traitor bait thread jveritas!
Both sides can play at psy-ops.
good news bump
Al Qaeda won’t give up as long as its true allies remain in place.
Pelosi, Durbin, Murtha, Feingold, et al.
The US media only works for the terrorists in this game.
100% true.
Part of my point. They are aware of the major setbacks in Diyala and Anbar and elsewhere, which is not exactly a morale boost.
The idea that al-Qaeda is posting that its fighters are going to Mosul in force is to me the most incredible portion of the account. Do you really think al-Qaeda is that incompetent?
AQ might not do that, but on the other hand, a sympathizer with some inside info who is either not the sharpest knife in the drawer or has lost control of his emotions might. Remember that AQ is a very loose federation of jihadist groups, not a tight top-down organization like traditional militaries.
Moreover, there is some fairly compelling evidence of AQ incompetence in certain areas of propaganda/P.R. The Anbar loss shows them to be so totally insensitive and ignorant of the local culture, so arrogant and murderously vicious to the locals -- everything the Ugly American is supposed to be -- that they couldn't have alienated the locals any more than if it was their goal. Think about that for a moment -- they drove the Anbar tribes (their main stronghold) into the arms of the Americans. How much dumber can you get than that?
So yes, like any military force, sometimes they really CAN be that incompetent. Military history is full of what-the-@#$%-were-they-thinking moments, like how it was that nobody knew on D-Day that the hedgerows in France were 6-10 feet high and not 2-3 like in England.
Of course, the al-Qaeda fighters (mostly Saudis and North Africans who cross the border after flying to Damascus) may simply be telling the local blabbermouths that they're going to Mosul as a disinfo thing when they are instead, for instance, concentrating on preparing to attack the British withdrawal in the south.
Quite possible but irrelevant to my point.
But then, who really knows? And that is my point. It's like reading one solier's negative report and thinking that is the whole truth. Or reading another soldier's positive letter and thinking that is the whole truth. Even if you assume they're sincere, you have no way of judging how they evaluate what they've seen, the situation on the ground, how aware they are of the true situation, etc.
One way you can evaluate is the frequency of such posts. Were they extremely rare in 2003-2006 and suddenly there's a spike of such posts after the Anbar disaster, the surge, and scuttlebutt getting around that this Petraeus guy is much more Patton than McClellan? I have no idea what the stats are on that, but I am offering it as a potentially reliable gauge for judging the authenticity of such posts in general, if not individually.
Don’t be silly.
Besides, there are terrorists on both sides.
Whether Osama is ever captured or killed is irrelevant to victory. Al Capone is dead but the mob is alive and well in Chicago. Likewise Gorbachev is alive but the USSR is dead, though Putin is trying to revive it. It's a bad idea to equate Osama's capture or death with victory because people will make the mistake of thinking it's over, when the Islamist ideology and machine would still be intact.
Wrecking the Islamist machine itself is the key. This will require a lot of spec ops work, and especially infiltration. But it can be done. If we have the will, there is a way. If we don't have the will, we don't deserve a way.
Yep, we’d better get out of this war. It’s already lost, right, Senator Reed?
There... fixed it...
(bada bing...)
Excellent fix :)
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