Posted on 08/27/2007 1:37:39 PM PDT by BnBlFlag
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Guess What Folks--Secesson Wasn't Treason by Al Benson Jr.
More and more of late I have been reading articles dealing with certain black racist groups that claim to have the best interests of average black folks at heart (they really don't). It seems these organizations can't take time to address the problems of black crime in the black community or of single-parent families in the black community in any meaningful way. It's much more lucrative for them (and it gets more press coverage) if they spend their time and resources attacking Confederate symbols. Ive come to the conclusion that they really don't give a rip for the welfare of black families. They only use that as a facade to mask their real agenda--the destruction of Southern, Christian culture.
Whenever they deal with questions pertaining to history they inevitably come down on that same old lame horse that the South was evil because they seceded from the Union--and hey--everybody knows that secession was treason anyway. Sorry folks, but that old line is nothing more than a gigantic pile of cow chips that smells real ripe in the hot August sun! And I suspect that many of them know that--they just don't want you to know it--all the better to manipulate you my dear!
It is interesting that those people never mention the fact that the New England states threatened secession three times--that's right three times--before 1860. In 1814 delegates from those New England states actually met in Hartford, Connecticut to consider seceding from the Union. Look up the Hartford Convention of 1814 on the Internet if you want a little background. Hardly anyone ever mentions the threatened secession of the New England states. Most "history" books I've seen never mention it. Secession is never discussed until 1860 when it suddenly became "treasonous" for the Southern states to do it. What about the treasonous intent of the New England states earlier? Well, you see, it's only treasonous if the South does it.
Columnist Joe Sobran, whom I enjoy, once wrote an article in which he stated that "...Jefferson was an explicit secessionist. For openers he wrote a famous secessionist document known to posterity as the Declaration of Independence." If these black racist groups are right, that must mean that Jefferson was guilty of treason, as were Washington and all these others that aided them in our secession from Great Britain. Maybe the black racists all wish they were still citizens of Great Britain. If that's the case, then as far as I know, the airlines are still booking trips to London, so nothing is stopping them.
After the War of Northern Aggression against the South was over (at least the shooting part) the abolitionist radicals in Washington decided they would try Jefferson Davis, president of the Confederate States as a co-conspirator in the Lincoln assassination (which would have been just great for Edwin M. Stanton) and as a traitor for leading the secessionist government in Richmond, though secession had hardly been original with Mr. Davis. However, trying Davis for treason as a secessionist was one trick the abolitionist radicals couldn't quite pull off.
Burke Davis, (no relation to Jeff Davis that I know of) in his book The Long Surrender on page 204, noted a quote by Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase, telling Edwin Stanton that "If you bring these leaders to trial, it will condemn the North, for by the Constitution, secession is not rebellion...His (Jeff Davis') capture was a mistake. His trial will be a greater one. We cannot convict him of treason." Burke Davis then continued on page 214, noting that a congressiona committee proposed a special court for Davis' trial, headed by Judge Franz Lieber. Davis wrote: "After studying more than 270,000 Confederate documents, seeking evidence against Davis, the court discouraged the War Department: 'Davis will be found not guilty,' Lieber reported 'and we shall stand there completely beaten'." What the radical Yankees and their lawyers were admitting among themselves (but quite obviously not for the historical record) was that they and Lincoln had just fought a war of aggression agains the Southern states and their people, a war that had taken or maimed the lives of over 600,000 Americans, both North and South, and they had not one shread of constitutional justification for having done so, nor had they any constitutional right to have impeded the Southern states when they chose to withdraw from a Union for which they were paying 83% of all the expenses, while getting precious little back for it, save insults from the North.
Most of us detest big government or collectivism. Yet, since the advent of the Lincoln administration we have been getting ever increasing doses of it. Lincoln was, in one sense, the "great emancipator" in that he freed the federal government from any chains the constitution had previously bound it with, so it could now roam about unfettered "seeking to devous whoseover it could." And where the Founders sought to give us "free and independent states" is anyone naive enough anymore as to think the states are still free and independent? Those who honestly still think that are prime candidates for belief in the Easter Bunny, for he is every bit as real as is the "freedom" our states experience at this point in history. Our federal government today is even worse than what our forefathers went to war against Britain to prevent. And because we have been mostly educated in their government brain laundries (public schools) most still harbor the illusion that they are "free." Well, as they say, "the brainwashed never wonder." ___________________
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Well what do you think about the blues states; calls to secede from the red states in 04 with many shouting that they were moving to other countries much like confederates claimed they would do and many did? Seems the issue of secession is pretty valid in the here and now. I still contend its unconstitutional if they try it. They wouldn’t have a hope in hell.
PITY that you don't have the wit to understand that you & "x" are bad JOKES to the smarter FReepers on these threads, who are daily exposed to your NONSENSE, lies & sludge.
free dixie,sw
perhaps, you should ask N-S the leader of "the DAMNyankee coven of fools,WIERDOS,lunatics,LEFTISTS, bigots, REVISIONISTS & a RACIST" if you can join his "motley, but jolly, band" of HATERS???
tell me, "philly" how many years did YOU serve in the armed services of this nation??? my guess is NONE! (i, otoh, served as an officer for a total of 28.5 years in both the RVN & Desert Shield conflicts = so much for your IGNORANT sludge, which you spewed onto the forum).
free dixie,sw
he is well-known on these threads to be just a PREJUDICED, ignorant, HATER of American Indians & the least intelligent/educated of the members of "the DAMNyankee coven".
IF you are under the false impression that he is CAPABLE of "spanking" ANYBODY on FR, you are sadly mistaken. he couldn't intellectually "spank" my 26 month-old niece
fwiw, he KNOWS that i'm NOT now, nor have i ever been, on "DU".
finally,you should ask "x" & "bubba, the LIAR" WHICH of the current/former members of "the DY coven" are:
1. ACTIVE members of "DU",
2.which (of his "buddies") are also members of A.N.S.W.E.R.,
3.belong to "moveon.com", 4.
marched against the Iraq war in Washington, DC and/or
5.are "contributors" to "DAILY KOS". (btw, at least TWO of "the coven members" were SEEN marching IN the last big A.N.S.W.E.R. parade.)
free dixie,sw
be sure & buy yourself some asbestos drawers, as you'll NEED them on these threads.
free dixie,sw
you also need to find some "flameproof" trousers, given the brainLESS way that you post.
stick around. (us "old FR vets" NEED new "targets of opportunity". we get TRIED of "beating on" the same old victims.)
free dixie,sw
btw, as we have at least 2 "newbies" ("delacon" & "philly nomad") on this thread, be sure to tell them:
1. WHO you used to be before you were PERMANENTLY BANNED from FR,
2.WHAT exactly you got yourself BANNED for DOING,
3.WHAT criminal fraud you ADMITTED to perpretrating (while trying, UNSUCESSFULLY i might add, to win an argument with me),
4.WHY anyone should believe ANYTHING you post, given your well-founded REPUTATION as a SERIAL LIAR and
5. WHEN you are going to resign from FR & return to your "buddies" on DU. (take "x" by the hand, as you dance out the door. you will NOT be missed here, as FR is for CONSERVATIVES.)
laughing AT you, BIGOT.
free dixie,sw
those "heroes" were IN "the flesh trade" through shipping/banking/insurance/railroad companies that they invested in, with the FULL KNOWLEDGE that those companies had "dirty hands" from selling/trading/transporting/importing/exporting slaves. after the WBTS & the UNlamented end of slavery in the USA, those same companies/persons INVESTED in slavery where it was still lawful.
tell me, "oh great oracle", is OWNING slaves any worse than being IN the slave trade "by proxy", while CONDEMNING the slavers???? (we all KNOW that you won't truthfully answer that, as you are a KNOWN serial-liar, DY apologist for the worst acts of the HYPOCRYTES, a supporter of the "filth that came down from the north" & an KNOWN anti-southern BIGOT.)
laughing AT you, LIAR.
free dixie,sw
Typical yankee response. If someone doesn't post the entire opinion ...
Chase wrote, 'it has been said that they [the several states] were sovereign, were completely independent, and were connected with each other only by a league. This is true'.
Lincoln claimed the states never were independent, that somehow a mythical union predated them, created them from nothingness. Perhaps Lincoln, not being a Christian, sought to ascribe some godlike power to this mystical union. Maybe he was into spiritualism, who knows. But historical fact proves otherwise, the states were independent, and declared their independence separately.
The author of the piece you posted is unaware of historical fact, several states had declared their independence prior to 4 Jul 1776, several did not even sign the Declaration until August (one of them being New York). Even Justice Chase, in Ware v Hylton, recognized that fact:
In June 1776, the Convention of Virginia formally declared, that Virginia was a free, sovereign, and independent state.
Interesting decision, as Chase continues with a statement that can be applied to conditions in 1861:
Before these solemn acts of separation from the Crown of Great Britain, the war between Great Britain and the United Colonies, jointly, and separately, was a civil war; but instantly, on that great and ever memorable event, the war changed its nature, and became a PUBLIC war between independent governments; and immediately thereupon ALL the rights of public war (and all the other rights of an independent nation) attached to the government of Virginia; and all the former political connection between Great Britain and Virginia, and also between their respective subjects, were totally dissolved; and not only the two nations, but all the subjects of each, were in a state of war.
pity. i keep wishing that we might get another SMART unionist for these threads.(N-S is the ONLY one "of the current crop" who is more than HALF-bright.)
free dixie,sw
But they do know how to spell "hypocrites." I'm still waiting for some proof to back up your typically hysterical assertion that all, most, some, or even a few abolitionists were involved in the slave trade. You saying that I know it's true doesn't fly. Were some yankees involved in the slave trade? Indisputably. Were all of them? Hardly. You appear to be guilty of lumping all northerners together in some evil conspiracy to force slavery on the unwilling southerners.
FR is for CONSERVATIVES.
FR is for people who aren't in favor of breaking up the United States.
"Free Republic does not advocate violence, rebellion, secession, or an overthrow of the government."--Jim Robinson
Garrison I know, but who exactly are these others? Pardee Butler, of Kansas? Puck? Tweed? Are you talking about Boss Tweed? I've never seen him named as an abolitionist, and it seems unlikely, since he was a democrat.
All of them? Finding out that they were abolitionists is shocking enough, but discovering that they owned slaves is just too much!
As your therapist, I suggest we start by limiting yourself to one lie a day.
fwiw, the "spell-checker" seems to "like" my spelling just fine & i didn't bother to go hunt a dictionary. perhaps you've found your niche on FR;you can be our "semi-smart, semi-educated spell-check" from now on.
laughing AT you, BOOB.
free dixie,sw
frankly, if i didn't enjoy ABUSING you for being a BIGOT & a south-HATER, i wouldn't even bother to read your bilge, much less answer you.
you are just "a pitiful case" in the opinion of one lady here (who i consider one of the brighter FReepers).
laughing AT you.
free dixie,sw
And your niche can be “deranged, ranting, illiterate buffoon.”
face it, "bubba", NOBODY (with the POSSIBLE exception of "x", who willingly believes ANYTHING that he reads on the "worldwidewierd",) believes ANTHING that you "bless" the forum with.
your REPUTATION is that of a FOOL, a serial LIAR, a BIGOT & you are RUINED on the forum except for being considered a prime EXAMPLE of what NO member of FR should be.
btw, WHEN are you going to tell everyone:
1. WHO you "used to be" before being BANNED from FR,
2. WHAT you DID to get yourself PERMANENTLY BANNED from the forum,
3.WHAT CRIME you admitted to committing, while trying (STUPIDLY) to win an UNwinnable argument AND
4. WHEN you are APOLOGIZING to all the forum for being our "general all around CREEP" & LEAVING forever???
btw, i will remind everyone of WHAT you are on every thread, that you post on, from now on. (i DESPISE bigots & south-HATERS, even more than i despise the LOUDmouthed,bigoted,sanctimonious, arrogant, minority of northerners, who southerners call: DAMNyankees.)
laughing AT you!
free dixie,sw
So when was that Thanksgiving at El Paso again? Was it before Cortez landed, or was it while he was still camped outside Tenochtitlan?
instead,you should APOLOGIZE for being a HATER, a LIAR & a CREEP, as FReepers would think better of you ,if you simply said:
"I'm a serial LIAR & I'm SORRY for all the rotten things I've said & done. I will now leave FR forever. (signed) Bubba Ho-tep"
sadly, for you (& for everyone else on FR), you aren't either decent or HONEST enough to do that.
laughing AT you.
free dixie,sw
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