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1 posted on 08/26/2007 4:56:16 AM PDT by Clive
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2 posted on 08/26/2007 4:57:00 AM PDT by Clive
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To: Clive
"It's no surprise that civilian North Americans tend to lack a basic understanding of military matters"

That never stops any of them from being armchair generals who think they are better qualified to run a war than the professional soldiers. Infuriating.
3 posted on 08/26/2007 5:01:18 AM PDT by stm (Fred Thompson in 08! Return our country to the era of Reagan Conservatism now.)
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To: Clive

Excellent reading. Thanks for posting.


6 posted on 08/26/2007 5:20:00 AM PDT by alarm rider (Why should I not vote my conscience?)
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To: Clive
Wars -- or threats of wars -- put an end to chattel slavery, Nazism, fascism, Japanese militarism and Soviet Communism.

War put an end to the governmental systems that were specifically based on these ideologies. The underlying ideologies of Fascism and Soviet Communism still thrive in American liberal fever swamps. If you don't believe me, spend a week over at DU or the DailyKos. Of course, you won't come back the same person.

7 posted on 08/26/2007 5:20:19 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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To: Clive

The answer is simple:

1.) Liberals detest the military and everyone in it.

2.) By and large, liberals control the curricula in schools, both public and private at all levels.

3.) Liberals control what is placed in textbooks, and which textbooks are chosen for schools.


10 posted on 08/26/2007 5:36:32 AM PDT by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: All; Clive; mdcrandall; Boston

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12 posted on 08/26/2007 6:14:58 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: Clive

Studyin wars also developers an understanding of what caused them and how to avoid those pitfalls.

Liberals prefer to study things that have no productive use.


17 posted on 08/26/2007 7:13:11 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: Clive

This is a subset of the discussion, “Why teach history?”, which can be a pretty complex argument. However, some of the finer points:

History can be taught by way of organizations, such as empires and nations; events, such as wars; cultures, by their uniqueness; about individuals, in their milieu; as progression or evolution of ideas and technologies over time; by statistics; with respect to its recording and analysis, that is, by the records people wrote and their interpretations of the same; for the interesting trivia and phenomena contained within; and by combinations of the above.

While often taught from the past to the present, it can also be taught from the present to the past, to create links with what went on before—effects and causes. It can also be used to connect with current events and extrapolate the future.

Importantly, it must always be remembered that it is a deep and abiding principle of socialism that history is socialism’s greatest enemy; that it must be distorted and eventually discarded in the socialist state. In the short term, they actively make efforts to corrupt it, and to discourage its scholarly study. Witness the “Greater Soviet Encyclopedia.”

So where does this leave war? Unfortunately in the same bucket as history overall. This is because that history, among all school subjects, is most likely to raise arguments. There is little in history that cannot agitate students, their parents, administrators, and the public at large. And such irritation are to be avoided, if a teacher is to avoid being fired.

So before you can teach about war, you must explain to the students the philosophy of war. Good reasons, and not so good reasons, that nations come into conflict. War must also be described as “diplomacy by other means” (and vice-versa), which leads to including diplomacy with war as a subject.

Wars must also be taught with respect to what they achieved, not just in tactical and strategic goals, but also indirectly.

But the list goes on and on. In the final analysis, teaching history and war matters most to students in the way it will affect their future, both in their daily lives, and during wars of the future.


18 posted on 08/26/2007 10:45:48 AM PDT by Popocatapetl
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To: Clive
War should be seen and understood as a necessary evil. No soldier, sailor, airman or Marine wishes to go to war. Militaries in a democracy are formed mostly to deter the wars they may be forced to fight.

Our goals must be to create and maintain a force so powerful and respected that any adversary would think long and hard to challenge that fighting force.

As a culture we must also be very careful in the manners with which we choose to use that military might. Our men and women are not toy soldiers to be placed upon a shelf until needed to conduct actions when our diplomacy is so failed or inept that the weakness of our hand necessitates its use.

19 posted on 08/26/2007 10:57:28 AM PDT by Thumper1960 (Unleash the Dogs of War as a Minority, or perish as a party.)
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To: Clive

there’s a lot to respond to here, so i’ll keep to one point.

our country cannot survive without an informed electorate.

there’s a nativist “know-nothing” attitude that i find intolerable.

combined with the tv 8-12 hours per day,

and a culture of hedonism, drug use, shop-till-you-drop, gangs etc,

this know-nothing attitude becomes destructive.


23 posted on 08/26/2007 11:23:47 AM PDT by ken21
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To: Clive

“”Numerous causes lay behind the lack of interest in military history in the 1960s when I studied it. The most obvious explanation: this was the immediate post-Vietnam era. “”

Love the article, but I don’t get this timetable.


25 posted on 08/26/2007 11:31:54 AM PDT by ansel12 (Paranoia, conspiracy, superiority, otherness, pod people "The Invasion" 2007 imdb)
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To: Clive
Why study war?

Because peace is so damned boring?

27 posted on 08/26/2007 11:36:51 AM PDT by Lazamataz (JOIN THE NRA: https://membership.nrahq.org/forms/signup.asp)
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To: Clive
Only unbelievably spoiled fools could twist this issue into this mess. I like VDH, but he is making far too many concessions to an ambient pacifism that is brain dead suicide. The reason to study war seriously is to win at war by learning what works and what fails. The reason to win at war is everything depends on decent men doing so. Fools pretending otherwise are simply riding on past successes they do not understand, and on their unwillingness to face the real consequences of defeat. You can visit eastern Congo or talk to a Cambodian if you are fuzzy about those.

We study war in order to win. Refusing to do so means defeat first and bloody shambles second. The rest is commentary.

30 posted on 08/26/2007 4:33:56 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: Clive
Margaret Atwood has written in a poem that: "Wars happen because the ones who start them / think they can win."

As my friend Rudolph Rummel, of the Political Science Dept. at U. of Hawaii has written, "Wars begin when the combatants disagree about their relative strength. Wars end when the combatants agree about their relative strength."

31 posted on 08/26/2007 4:50:42 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney (My book is out. Read excerpts at http://www.thejusticecooperative.com)
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