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1 posted on 08/23/2007 10:49:03 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
I know...give a kid some odd change and watch them look at you like you are from another planet.

The calculator/computer generation.

2 posted on 08/23/2007 10:53:31 AM PDT by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (RIP Eric Medlen. You will be missed.)
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To: neverdem

” Our present ambition to make every American youth college material — in a way our forefathers would have thought ludicrous — ensures that we will both fail in that utopian goal and lack enough literate Americans with critical vocational skills. “

Bingo.....


3 posted on 08/23/2007 10:56:25 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (We has met the enemy, and he is us........)
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To: neverdem

Yea, but they do know the important things...like how to put on a condom, give a BJs and where to get an abortion.


4 posted on 08/23/2007 10:59:17 AM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: neverdem

Naturally the only touches on the biggest problem in the rest of his diatribe....

Parents...

They’re the ones with the influence to make children believe in education....

They’re the ones who can ensure the kids do homework...

They’re the ones who feel entitled to world class education in a system that pays its teachers abysmal salaries.....

They’re the ones who scream bloody murder if their “baby” gets a B.....


5 posted on 08/23/2007 11:01:22 AM PDT by eraser2005
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To: neverdem

This is the soft underbelly of the American economy and geopolitical power: the governmental school system. Students are simply not learning basic skills, let alone anything approaching “advanced education.” And it is not a matter of computers, and calculators and other hardware. It is a matter of a literal motivation crisis.

Go to ANY university in this country and simply look at students in classrooms: 60% don’t want to be there, and an even larger number are barely cognizant, let alone attentive. And this is college. Go to ANY high school, and you’ll see worse. There, however, you’ll also see blatant incompetence by the teaching staff: people teaching math who don’t know the subject, others teaching English or writing who are syntatically challenged themselves, etc.

Bush at least tried to do something here. But the Dems will hardly attempt anything, given their knee-jerk deference to the teachers’ unions. Unless and until these unions are eradicated - from top to bottom - and ALL “education departments” removed from college campuses, so that graduates with real majors can apply for teaching positions, nothing will correct our downward trajectory. Why parents put up with the status quo is beyond me, but they do vote Dem, don’t they?


7 posted on 08/23/2007 11:16:56 AM PDT by Pyncho (Success through excess)
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“Of course, most critics agree that the root causes for our undereducated youth are not all the schools’ fault. Our present ambition to make every American youth college material — in a way our forefathers would have thought ludicrous — ensures that we will both fail in that utopian goal and lack enough literate Americans with critical vocational skills.”

The money quote if there ever was one.


9 posted on 08/23/2007 11:20:10 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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Great article. I graduated in ‘58 from a Los Angeles school. Great education for a high school. Get rid of the teacher unions and go to a pay for performance system. Also get rid of tenure. Who else in industry has tenure?


11 posted on 08/23/2007 11:34:05 AM PDT by RC2
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“Reform Math” is preventing an entire generation from excelling in science, engineering, architecture, etc.


14 posted on 08/23/2007 11:39:11 AM PDT by too much time (Educrats: What colleges produce when education is dumbed-down)
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ping


15 posted on 08/23/2007 11:40:54 AM PDT by Tribune7 (Michael Moore bought Haliburton)
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To: neverdem; SoftballMominVA; Gabz; Amelia

Before the homeschool crowd starts up: according to the HSLDA, public school kids outscore the homeschool bunch in math.

Now, I am a public school teacher, I have a Master’s degree in Latin. I teach Latin and English. I am tenured, but I do not want my job tied to the fact that no matter how many ways I present material, modify, scaffold, assist, allow, communicate, beg, and do everything I can to help a student succeed, they still do not make it.

I am, as a teacher, capable of so much before the student must take some responsibility for their learning. It is here that the line falls sharply and the author of the piece gets it.


18 posted on 08/23/2007 11:42:21 AM PDT by shag377 (De gustibus non disputandum est)
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Another winner from Hanson.

Currently reading his “An Autumn of War - What America Learned From September 11 and The War on Terrorism” - good stuff.

I wonder how many of our high school “graduates” could actually read it?


19 posted on 08/23/2007 11:42:50 AM PDT by khnyny (The best minds are not in government. If they were, business would hire them away. Ronald Reagan)
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Ping


23 posted on 08/23/2007 11:48:18 AM PDT by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: neverdem
Of course, most critics agree that the root causes for our undereducated youth are not all the schools’ fault.

I take it this man hasn't seen a modern math textbook then. Hit complaints are mainly about literacy and basic math, which the schools should have easily drilled into students' heads by age 10. Yet schools dropped phoenix because some students would learn to read too fast and leave the slower students behind. Then they did the same with math. Instead of teaching principles, they teach one-offs so no student can get too far ahead. Don't teach general rules and principles, teach words and special case cute number exercises. If schools would STOP holding back the bright students, maybe by highschool graduation they would be employable.
26 posted on 08/23/2007 11:50:45 AM PDT by dan1123 (You are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. --Jesus)
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Making change is only necessary if you're using cash. Mental subtraction is only necessary if you don't have a calculator. Reading is only necessary if the stuff you want communicated doesn't come in video form. Breathing is only necessary for those who can't afford an iron lung.

There is ignorance that is the result of lack of opportunity, and ignorance that is the result of laziness and the luxury to do without knowledge. They're not the same. The former can be cured by providing more opportunity, but the latter can't.

28 posted on 08/23/2007 11:53:06 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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“As another school year is set to get under way, it’s worth pondering where this epidemic of ignorance came from.”

It came from the reality that educated, thinking individuals are not likely to vote to give up their freedoms in favor of higher taxes and a nanny state Government. Something HAD to be done.


31 posted on 08/23/2007 12:02:57 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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We’ve got some McGuffey Readers and a mid-1900’s copy of the American Citizen’s Handbook (by the N.E.A.). That America exists no longer in our public schools, N.E.A. or government. The hard decline began in the later 1950’s. Discipline exerted by Godly American men is, IMO, the only hope.


33 posted on 08/23/2007 12:09:17 PM PDT by polymuser (There is one war and one enemy.)
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I went to public schools and got a great education and went on to college. Why? Because my parents pushed me. Others do not get a good education because the parents do not push them.

Our schools work. Like most other things, it all depends on the motivation of the individual to succeed.
36 posted on 08/23/2007 12:11:43 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: neverdem

Nice try, Victor; no cigar. You’ve fallen into the classic trap of believing that the guiding purpose of Public Education really is to educate.

That’s completely wrong.

Public Education was NOT created to educate minds, it was created to conform minds to a predetermined mold so as to produce successive generations of people fit to fill the job vacancies in factories, and office buildings owned and managed by others.

Public Education does not teach people to think, it teaches people to reguritate the pre-packaged, pre-thought thoughts of those producing the various curriculae.

Certainly, some things — like counting correct change — represent failure to even achieve that rudimentary level of information transfer, but consider this: when children find themselves compressed out of their own thoughts into those that others have decided that they should think, and this environment persists for 12 years, it is inconsistent with logic to contend that some will not inwardly rebel, and put the whole system on “IGNORE”, and eitehr graduate by the skin of their teeth or drop out early.

These kids aren’t incapable of being educated; they’re insulted by a system that doggedly insists that they and their peers ought all think just like the guy who wrote the textbook. And, their response???

Entirely predicatble:
“F@#% the textbook, AND the guy who wrote it, AND the horse he rode in on!!!”

MUCH of the educational malaise besetting this country arises from the inner rebellion of great minds battling the imposed thought-conformity of the PubEd system. Those who persist with this inner rebellion frequently perform poorly, get labeled “ADD” or “learning disabled”, barely graduate, or drop out. Those who give up the fight find their surrender rewarded with better grades, but — in the end — they emerge with a propensity to compliance, following directions, completing mindless tasks repetitively, focusing on the present, and leaving the creative ideas to management.

But, don’t just take my word for it, undertake your own investigation.

I strongly recommend that you begin with a little history lesson:
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/historytour/history1.htm

Following that, I suggest a more in-depth study of the roots of our institutions of public instruction, here:
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/underground/index.htm

I warn you, though, if you give a rip about children, you ARE GOING TO BE ANGERED by what you read.


41 posted on 08/23/2007 12:29:55 PM PDT by HKMk23 (Nine out of ten orcs attacking Rohan were Saruman's Uruk-hai, not Sauron's! So, why invade Mordor?)
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It’s no surprise that the dumbing down of America occurred as the Democrat Liberal party solidified its hold on the education system.


51 posted on 08/23/2007 1:25:04 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (No buy China!!)
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BUMP


62 posted on 08/23/2007 1:51:36 PM PDT by kitkat (I refuse to let the DUers chase me off FR.)
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