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'We have broken speed of light'
Telegraph ^ | 8/16/07 | Nick Fleming

Posted on 08/16/2007 10:15:43 AM PDT by LibWhacker

A pair of German physicists claim to have broken the speed of light - an achievement that would undermine our entire understanding of space and time.

According to Einstein's special theory of relativity, it would require an infinite amount of energy to propel an object at more than 186,000 miles per second.

However, Dr Gunter Nimtz and Dr Alfons Stahlhofen, of the University of Koblenz, say they may have breached a key tenet of that theory.

The pair say they have conducted an experiment in which microwave photons - energetic packets of light - travelled "instantaneously" between a pair of prisms that had been moved up to 3ft apart.

Being able to travel faster than the speed of light would lead to a wide variety of bizarre consequences.

For instance, an astronaut moving faster than it would theoretically arrive at a destination before leaving.

The scientists were investigating a phenomenon called quantum tunnelling, which allows sub-atomic particles to break apparently unbreakable laws.

Dr Nimtz told New Scientist magazine: "For the time being, this is the only violation of special relativity that I know of."


TOPICS: Germany; News/Current Events
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To: Liberty Tree Surgeon

So are you saying that a photon of light could arrive before even being sent? LOL! It just took off and got there before I hit the switch? What if I changed my mind and didn’t hit the switch?


181 posted on 08/16/2007 11:12:51 AM PDT by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: taxcontrol

Oh, yeah...


182 posted on 08/16/2007 11:13:17 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Tuesday, August 14, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Royal Wulff

“Photons have no mass.”

Then why does a photon drive work?


183 posted on 08/16/2007 11:13:33 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Fred Thompson)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus; Tijeras_Slim; martin_fierro

Ping to the funniest post (#47) I’ve seen all day.


184 posted on 08/16/2007 11:14:27 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (It's up to us to keep it all from unraveling)
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To: LibWhacker

gives “in before the zot” a whole ‘nuther meaning


185 posted on 08/16/2007 11:14:48 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: TommyDale

“So are you saying that a photon of light could arrive before even being sent? LOL! It just took off and got there before I hit the switch? What if I changed my mind and didn’t hit the switch?”

You obviously are not a Presbyterian.


186 posted on 08/16/2007 11:14:52 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Fred Thompson)
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To: ari-freedom
**** the M Theory is correct and alternate universes do exist

oh puhlease ****

Nope, no oh please. I'm series.

With the M Theory Physicists have proved Alternate (parallel) Universes exist (and that there's eleven dimensions, not just the three we know, or 4 including 'time', but that's another matter). To quote one he said,

"In one universe you are there but I am not. In another universe Al Gore is President."
The M Theory also answers the cause of the Big Bang.

Note: none of this negates God or religion in general. 'Someone' had to put all this 'stuff' there to begin with.

187 posted on 08/16/2007 11:15:15 AM PDT by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
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188 posted on 08/16/2007 11:15:35 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Tuesday, August 14, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: TommyDale
Like I said earlier, if they truly “broke the speed of light” then the light arrived before it even left the point of origin. Totally impossible.

Are you sure about that?

189 posted on 08/16/2007 11:15:51 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: kinoxi
 

‘Spooky action at a distance’?

 

I'm refraining from posting any Helen Thomas Pics 

190 posted on 08/16/2007 11:18:14 AM PDT by grjr21
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191 posted on 08/16/2007 11:19:26 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Tuesday, August 14, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: jgorris

Actually, Kurt Godel developed a solution to the Einstein equations which describe “closed timelike lines” in which it is possible to travel “back” in time without having to travel faster than the speed of light.
_________________________________________________

I want to go back to an evening I spent with Maria Louisa Gonzalez Escobar in Mexico. Can you please forward me the equations?


192 posted on 08/16/2007 11:19:49 AM PDT by Greg F (The Congress voted and it didn't count and . . . then . . . it didn't happen at all.)
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To: r9etb

I’m fairly sure that measuring departure and arrival time with a light beam over a short distance of only 3 feet is plenty of room for error. Like I said, how can something arrive before it leaves?


193 posted on 08/16/2007 11:20:47 AM PDT by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: LibWhacker
The pair say they have conducted an experiment in which microwave photons - energetic packets of light - travelled "instantaneously" between a pair of prisms that had been moved up to 3ft apart.

Interesting, if true, but I remember the "cold fusion" excitement, in the 1980s, which turned out to be just experimental error.

In this case the microwaves should have taken about 3 billionths of a second (.000000003 seconds) to travel this far. The difference between .000000003 seconds, and 0 seconds, is very small, and requires very good experimental methodology to measure correctly.

194 posted on 08/16/2007 11:20:58 AM PDT by 3niner (War is one game where the home team always loses.)
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To: caveat emptor
186,000 mps +- 4,321 mps (19 times out of 20), more or less.

I'm sorry, but these days the meter is defined in terms of the distance light travels in a second and the mile is defined in terms of meters, so there is no +/- on the speed of light in miles per second.

The metre is the length of the path travelled by light in vacuum during a time interval of 1/299 792 458 of a second.

In 1958 the United States and countries of the Commonwealth of Nations defined the length of the international yard to be exactly 0.9144 meters. Consequently, the international inch is defined to be exactly 25.4 millimeters.

195 posted on 08/16/2007 11:21:37 AM PDT by Vroomfondel
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196 posted on 08/16/2007 11:22:05 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Tuesday, August 14, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Greg F

bump for later reading


197 posted on 08/16/2007 11:22:57 AM PDT by Mom MD (The scorn of fools is music to the ears of the wise)
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To: LibWhacker

bump


198 posted on 08/16/2007 11:23:18 AM PDT by lesser_satan (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: traderrob6

Good one.


199 posted on 08/16/2007 11:24:50 AM PDT by 3niner (War is one game where the home team always loses.)
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To: Condor51
The M Theory also answers the cause of the Big Bang.

YOU MEAN MADONNA FINALLY GOT THE BIG ONE?????

200 posted on 08/16/2007 11:26:05 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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