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Hostages made their own trouble
Toronto Sun ^ | 2007-08-01 | Peter Worthington

Posted on 08/01/2007 2:10:05 AM PDT by Clive

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Don’t know if everybody has seen Tears of the Sun, but everybody should.


121 posted on 08/01/2007 7:13:42 AM PDT by wastedyears (Freedom is the right of all sentient beings - Peter Cullen as Optimus Prime)
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To: twonie; untrained skeptic; agere_contra; Jemian
What were these women doing in Afghanistan anyway?
They were doing the Lord's work, and should be both proud of that and humbled by that.

That being said, the writer does have a good point. The world is much different today that it was 500 or 2000 years ago. Governments behave much differently. In our day and age, it should be expected that a missionary's mere presence overseas ay result in men being sent in harm's way to protect or rescue you.

Pleading for your government to appease (read: stregthen) the enemy or to send men to die to save you is a far different cry that Paul appealing to Roman law as a Roman citizen. It's something modern-day missionaries need to acknowledge and prepare for.

122 posted on 08/01/2007 7:15:24 AM PDT by sanchmo
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To: teldon30

Lay off


123 posted on 08/01/2007 7:18:05 AM PDT by expatguy (Support - "An American Expat in Southeast Asia")
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To: Scotsman will be Free

Can I assume you are opposed to the War on Terror because it involves violating your absolute moral of “thou shalt not kill”? A fair reading of this moral does not present any exceptions or defenses such as self defense. Whether you like it or not, if you support the War on Terror you are moral relativist.


124 posted on 08/01/2007 7:22:29 AM PDT by monocle
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To: Jemian

Government should just butt out. Many will be martyred, but that is the way these things go.

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An unfortunate side effect of these missionaries becoming hostages is that ANTI(military involvement by western powers in Afghanistan)WAR protests are occuring in South Korea. Why are there no protests against Islamic hostage-takers?


125 posted on 08/01/2007 7:24:17 AM PDT by maica (America will be a hyperpower that's all hype and no power -- if we do not prevail in Iraq)
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To: Clive

Our soldiers are very brave to battle these bloodthirsty savages with weapons on the field. So are the unarmed Korean missionaries who went in to battle on the deeper level of ideas.

Surely freedom for the rest of us must be bought at the price of some of us being willing to carry a gun and hunt down these fiends on the battlefield. But unless we are willing to occupy their nations forever we must also address the religious aspect of this struggle. Islam does not just happen by chance to produce more terrorists per capita than the world’s other major faiths, rather this is an artifact of the very nature of Islamic history, beliefs, and foundational documents.

Christian missionaries to Islamic countries are also soldiers in the war on terror.


126 posted on 08/01/2007 7:24:41 AM PDT by Hail Spode
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To: driftdiver

Look in a mirror before calling someone a radical because he doesn’t agree with you.


127 posted on 08/01/2007 7:29:07 AM PDT by monocle
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To: monocle
A fair reading of this moral does not present any exceptions or defenses such as self defense.

Now you are just being silly.

128 posted on 08/01/2007 7:33:59 AM PDT by gridlock (WAR IS PEACE / FREEDOM IS SLAVERY / DIVERSITY IS STRENGTH)
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To: L,TOWM

If are you suggesting that acting to spread one’s religion is offensive, then you are in agreement with me. And if I offended radicals, then I am happy.


129 posted on 08/01/2007 7:34:33 AM PDT by monocle
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To: monocle
Your goals are identical although your means are different.

Christianity seeks to convince non-believers to convert.
Radical Islam seeks to kill non-believers.

Christianity seeks more believers while Islam wants less non-believers...the goals are quite different.

130 posted on 08/01/2007 7:37:10 AM PDT by kidd
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To: monocle
If are you suggesting that acting to spread one’s religion is offensive, then you are in agreement with me.

Well, I am glad we got that out of the way...

131 posted on 08/01/2007 7:39:34 AM PDT by gridlock (WAR IS PEACE / FREEDOM IS SLAVERY / DIVERSITY IS STRENGTH)
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To: monocle

“Look in a mirror before calling someone a radical because he doesn’t agree with you.”

I didn’t call you a radical. I said your comments comparing Christians to murderers were offensive.


132 posted on 08/01/2007 7:41:50 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: gridlock
The definition I lifted from a dictionary does not require violence in the verbal attack.

Your dispute in regards to "persecute" is not with me but with a dictionary. Some posters on this site are using Romney's religion to undermine his candidancy and thus would seem to meet the definition of persecution.

133 posted on 08/01/2007 7:46:41 AM PDT by monocle
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To: monocle
Your dispute in regards to "persecute" is not with me but with a dictionary. Some posters on this site are using Romney's religion to undermine his candidancy and thus would seem to meet the definition of persecution.

Disagreement is not persecution. Disagreeing with somebody over religious matters can certainly inform one's opinion regarding whether you would want to support that person as a candidate or want to support somebody else. There is no requirement that religion be divorced from politics.

Therefore if people disagree with Romney on matters of religion and therefore work against his candidacy, that is not persecution because it is not harassment or punishment.

However, if somebody harrasses or punishes Romney because they disagree with his religious beliefs, that might rise to the level of persecution. It is hard to see how posters on FR would be in a position to do that, however.

134 posted on 08/01/2007 8:17:28 AM PDT by gridlock (WAR IS PEACE / FREEDOM IS SLAVERY / DIVERSITY IS STRENGTH)
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To: monocle

Do you regard people telling you the truth as a verbal attack?


135 posted on 08/01/2007 8:18:57 AM PDT by gridlock (WAR IS PEACE / FREEDOM IS SLAVERY / DIVERSITY IS STRENGTH)
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To: KantianBurke

What the missionaries were or were not expecting is irrelevent. Due to their lack of concern for their security they have placed our fighting men and women at risk and have diverted them from their original mission in Afghanistan. Thus the missionaries actions were indecent and selfish. Again, either ensure your own security or stay out. Our troops didn’t sign up for this nonsense.

EXACTLY.


136 posted on 08/01/2007 8:21:42 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: monocle
suggesting that acting to spread one’s religion is offensive, then you are in agreement with me

We have a gulf of disagreement larger than the known universe on that point, half a spectacle.

137 posted on 08/01/2007 8:42:28 AM PDT by L,TOWM ("Protesting Clinton's wars was'nt cool..." - Jeneane Garafolo, 2003)
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To: monocle
I have the right not to be assaulted by others’ beliefs. Besides ethical and legal considerations, I have a healthy respect for manners which are also sorely lacking in opur society.

Okay, I respect your right to be a "principled realist". Now, shut up and quit assaulting us with your beliefs. Keep your guiding philosophies to yourself.

Oh, I'm sorry, was that ill mannered? I pick up such bad habits from some of the posters here.

138 posted on 08/01/2007 8:58:56 AM PDT by LexBaird (Tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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To: Jemian

God Bless You Jemian. I have seen first hand the handiwork of “the religion of peace”


139 posted on 08/01/2007 9:00:52 AM PDT by jesseam (Been there and done that!)
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To: Jemian
Your condescending answer will undoubtedly do much to spread the Gospel.

Missionaries, most especially women missionaries, should not be in what is, in effect, a combat zone. To do so is irresponsible and puts the lives of others and the military mission at risk.

140 posted on 08/01/2007 9:16:31 AM PDT by gogeo (Democrats want to support the troops without actually being helpful to them.)
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