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Novak likes the idea of President Paul
Washington Times ^ | 7/31/07 | Eric Pfieffer

Posted on 07/31/2007 12:51:59 PM PDT by traviskicks

Bob Novak stopped by the Heritage Foundation today for a lunchtime discussion with conservative bloggers about his new professional autobiography, The Prince of Darkness. While he lamented the practice of reporters acting as opinion drivers and news analysts, Novak wasn't shy about offering a few opinions of his own. When asked to rate the current field of Republican presidential candidates, Novak didn't have any kind words for the current top-tier field of Rudy Giuliani, Fred Thompson, Mitt Romney and John McCain.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: antisemite; asseenonstormfront; bushpubbiestremble; foaminggopdroids; novak; patbuchananlite; paul2008; paulestinians; ronpaul; thevoicesinhishead
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To: wideawake
Remember Commodore Perry.

BTW, how well did that all work out in the end? That Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere and Pearl Harbor thing, you know.

81 posted on 07/31/2007 2:47:10 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: griswold3
Shows this guy is out of touch.

It sure does since it title "Project Freedom". /sarc

82 posted on 07/31/2007 2:48:04 PM PDT by Orange1998 (4 Real)
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To: wideawake
America has two choices: to pretend the outside world does not exist and discontinue all external intercourse including commerce,

Actually you have it in reverse. If you want to extend, not reduce "external commerce," then you should support Ron Paul who consistently opposes trade embargoes and is a tiger for free trade. Compared to a free trader like Paul, the defenders of the current world policing policy are rabid economic isolationists.

83 posted on 07/31/2007 2:50:29 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: pissant
If the last 25 years have demonstrating ANYTHING, is that not killing off the terrorists and their enablers [and following a blowback world policing policy of supporting Jihadist terrorists in Afghanistan and Saddamists in Iraq in the 1980s] was a mistake of epic proportions.
84 posted on 07/31/2007 2:53:25 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: pissant
Well, if I reject your characterization of what we are doing, then I guess it wouldn’t. LOL

The trouble is that you never define what you mean. Agree or disagree, the Paulists do. Their position is also based on the idea of enhancing national security. The difference between them and you is that they spell it out. You may think they are wrong but at least try, as they to, to clarify exactly what you want. Otherwise debate is impossible.

85 posted on 07/31/2007 2:57:06 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: wideawake
America has two choices: to pretend the outside world does not exist and discontinue all external intercourse including commerce, or to interact with the outside in order to shape it to our interests.

False dilemna plus a bit of the strawman argument. There is no all or nothing decision to be made. The decision is whether to choose partnerships based on principles, and what principles. If the mob offered you a lower price on some commodity than an honest businessman, for instance, what principles would come into play? We live in a world of greater and lesser evils. And how we go about "interacting" is of course sufficiently vague in your analysis.

86 posted on 07/31/2007 2:59:39 PM PDT by Puddleglum
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To: agooga
I view Paul’s stance on the war and foreign policy as arguably conservative in the classical sense— a hands-off sense— much the same as the conservative position on the business and the economy is “hands-off.”

I see you are a good study of history. Most posters who claim to be good Republicans don't realize the "original" Republicans dislike war and government involvement at all stages.

87 posted on 07/31/2007 3:03:10 PM PDT by Orange1998 (4 Real)
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To: ejonesie22
Oh and by the way you Paul guys are indeed invitied to join us in dealing with 21st Century Geo-Politics when you are ready...

No thanks. Too smart for that. I don't just latch on to every liberal idea that comes along, especially ones that are already proven failures.

88 posted on 07/31/2007 3:04:57 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Austin Willard Wright

My definition is no more vague than “policing the world”, which was in your original question. That means little to me, so yes, it’s hard to debate.


89 posted on 07/31/2007 3:07:16 PM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: pissant

Well....then I’ll concede I was wrong in characterizing your position. Now....what exactly is your position? Let’s take it as a given that you support “national security.” Can you go beyond that? For example, do you think our support of the Jihadists in Afghanistan and Saddamists in Iraq during the 1980s was a proper policy or that it led to blowback? Do you think our installation of the Shah was a good thing or that it led to blowback? Do you believe our massive aid to Israel and Eqypt since the Camp David Policy was a good thing? Let’s get specific. Deal?


90 posted on 07/31/2007 3:10:33 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: wideawake
In the very unlikely circumstance that Ron Paul were to become President he could not unilaterally void a treaty.

If only that was true. Presidents regularly abrogate treaties. See Jimmy Carter and the US - Taiwan Mutual Defense Treaty and the Panama Canal Treaty.

91 posted on 07/31/2007 3:14:16 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (A person who does not want the best for America)
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To: Gondring

Yeah, that internet sucks doesn’t it...


92 posted on 07/31/2007 3:17:13 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (I am not really a Fred basher, I just play one on Free Republic. THOMPSON 2008!)
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To: Orange1998
I see you are a good study of history. Most posters who claim to be good Republicans don't realize the "original" Republicans dislike war and government involvement at all stages.

You're right, I don't know who was a more determined pacifist, Fremont or Lincoln.

Lincoln was clearly a proponent of a small, non-intrusive government.

Student of history or not, I'm thinking you might be confusing the first Republicans with the Vallandigham/McClellan Democrats.

That's OK, it's been a long time.

93 posted on 07/31/2007 3:20:15 PM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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To: Austin Willard Wright

OK now we are mixing foreign aid & CIA ops with military campaigns, but they are indeed specific, so I’ll play.

Jihadists in Afganistan against the USSR invasion? Absolutely. The USSR was a superpower that deserved maximum effort to stop its expansionist policy. When we went to Afgahinistan in 2001, we had many friends there to aid us against the taliban and terrorists, BTW.

Saddam we only tepidly “supported” as a bulwark against the ayatollah. We were quite happy to see them fight each other. I was fine with that.

Shah of Iran? Yep. He was preferable to what preceeded and far preferable to what followed. I know a gaggle of Iranians that fled after Jimmuh Carter’s Iranian revloution. You won’t find a more patiotic bunch of Americans. Did it lead to blowback? Perhaps. all actions have counteractions.

Foreign aid? For Israel, yes, but I would want to wean them off of it, but perhaps have a formal military alliance.

Egypt? no. Most foreign aid? No, unless it is vital to our strategic interests.

Assasinating Allende in Chile. Yes. Assasinate Chavez and Castro? yes.


94 posted on 07/31/2007 3:28:51 PM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but the Mutual Defense Treaty with the Republic of China was abrogated during the Carter administration, upheld by Goldwater v. Carter, Hay-Bunau abrogated by Torrijos-Carter.

Mistakes, but the process strikes me as kind of what the Constitution calls for.

Am I to presume that President Ron Paul, as arbiter of the "true Constitution", doesn't recognize these actions?

Like the Constitution Party, his moonbat pals also, Panama being sovereign US territory, it should be reclaimed.

Do we invade Panama?

95 posted on 07/31/2007 3:29:23 PM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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To: SJackson

No, unless a large war breaks out. We will need to own the Panama canal again.


96 posted on 07/31/2007 3:35:07 PM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: West Coast Conservative

The real question is, has paul apologized yet for blaming America for 9-11?


97 posted on 07/31/2007 3:43:10 PM PDT by italianquaker (When will pelosi ask congressman ellison to apologize for his 9-11 remarks?)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Babies come from sex, not marriage. And in any event, it’s nothing the fedral government needs to meddle with. It belongs to the churches.


98 posted on 07/31/2007 3:48:08 PM PDT by AndreaThorn (The dogs of war don't negotiate......)
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To: agooga
I disagree with Paul to a certain extent on the war, (and I don’t think there is a perfect position to occupy here) mainly because I see that the great tide of history, and our interference, has dragged us into much of the conflict we find ourselves in,

We dragged ourselves in. The world has changed so much because we forced it to change to suit us. Now we're crabbing because we've encountered resistance?

99 posted on 07/31/2007 3:54:13 PM PDT by AndreaThorn (The dogs of war don't negotiate......)
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To: italianquaker
The real question is, has paul apologized yet for blaming America for 9-11?

He plans to do that after he apologizes for not answering when asked whether he planned to stop beating his wife.

100 posted on 07/31/2007 3:58:03 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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