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Fossils Older Than Dinosaurs Reveal Pattern Of Early Animal Evolution On Earth (Darwin wrong again)
Science Daily ^ | July 26, 2007

Posted on 07/31/2007 10:18:52 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

...His findings: Overall, approximately 35 percent of the 982 trilobite species exhibited some variation in some aspect of their appearance that was evolving. But more than 70 percent of early and middle Cambrian species exhibited variation, while only 13 percent of later trilobite species did so.

"There's hardly any variation in the post-Cambrian," he said. "Even the presence or absence or the kind of ornamentation on the head shield varies within these Cambrian trilobites and doesn't vary in the post-Cambrian trilobites."...

(Excerpt) Read more at sciencedaily.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: chuchofdarwin; creation; evolution; fossil; intelligentdesign; trilobite
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To: webstersII
Devise an experiment that, under controlled conditions, could potentially falsfy evolution.

Science is not done just in the lab. Other posts have already given examples of findings that would falsify evolution.

201 posted on 08/01/2007 8:52:17 AM PDT by narby
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To: GodGunsGuts

Got it.


202 posted on 08/01/2007 9:01:29 AM PDT by edsheppa
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To: js1138

This post would be remarkable if true.

Creationists acknowledging that the fossil record is real???

I’m stunned.


203 posted on 08/01/2007 9:03:17 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Red Badger
How did you make that trilobite pic?.......

He didn't. It was taken by an AP photographer.

Cordially,

204 posted on 08/01/2007 9:47:13 AM PDT by Diamond
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To: editor-surveyor
You are not understanding the nature nor source of the resonance. It comes from the pulse rate that is dictated by quanta. Energy in a living cell does not constantly flow; it is emitted in quanta, and the frequency may depend upon the total energy production of the cell. More energy production = higher frequency.


205 posted on 08/01/2007 10:30:26 AM PDT by js1138
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To: editor-surveyor
You are not understanding the nature nor source of the resonance. It comes from the pulse rate that is dictated by quanta. Energy in a living cell does not constantly flow; it is emitted in quanta, and the frequency may depend upon the total energy production of the cell. More energy production = higher frequency.

Do you know the relation between frequency and the energy contained in a quantum?

206 posted on 08/01/2007 10:59:00 AM PDT by ok_now ((Huh?))
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To: ok_now

You gonna make him walk the Planck?


207 posted on 08/01/2007 1:46:34 PM PDT by null and void (Whale oil: The carbon neutral, renewable petroleum alternative)
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To: editor-surveyor
You are not understanding the nature nor source of the resonance. It comes from the pulse rate that is dictated by quanta. Energy in a living cell does not constantly flow; it is emitted in quanta, and the frequency may depend upon the total energy production of the cell. More energy production = higher frequency.

Are you familiar with series solutions to wave functions? The wave function doesn't project upon one of your eigenbases (in this case of the Hamiltonian) unless you actually measure it. With the Schrödinger wave equation in the energy base the wave function will be defined by each element of the series with appropriate weighting functions. Unless you actively measure the energy transfer in a cell in the infinite places that it could occur over an infinite time, your question has no meaning. It would be better to describe how the wave function transmits or reflects along the cell barriers. And that is continuous (and the first derivatives are also continuous).

If you want to continue this argument I suggest you give up your quantum physical modeling of a non-quantum sized object. It would be much simpler to use the continuity equation to support the conservation of energy argument you are trying to use. As far as energy tied to frequency, that is based on the de Broglie relation, which is again is not going to give you satisfactory answers once you factor in uncertainty and non-quantum particles (as I pointed out before and you ignored).

I hope you actually haven't studied quantum mechanics or I would be embarrassed for your teacher.

208 posted on 08/01/2007 2:35:24 PM PDT by burzum (None shall see me, though my battlecry may give me away -Minsc)
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To: js1138

>>This is true, but evolution doesn’t predict that diversity will increase without limit. Species having large populations will not easily split into multiple species, although they may change over time.

Increase in the number of species is not guaranteed by evolution.<<

Thank you.


209 posted on 08/01/2007 3:27:03 PM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words)
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To: null and void

>>Didn’t Darwin himself predict that there was a moth with an 18” long tongue based on the structure of a flower he found?

BTW, the moth was discovered years later...<<

I’ve seen a list of dozens of species and fossil predictions made correctly using evolutionary theory.


210 posted on 08/01/2007 3:39:13 PM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words)
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To: editor-surveyor

>>You are not understanding the nature nor source of the resonance. <<

No doubt. My various quantum mechanics professors said a lot worse than that to me.

>>It comes from the pulse rate that is dictated by quanta. <<

Ressonance in living cells has more to do with macroscopic size. You are mixing things of such different sizes that the physics are quite different.

>>Energy in a living cell does not constantly flow;<<

Energy in all bodies above absolute zero constantly flows. (And maybe at absolute zero too but that’s a long story)

>> it is emitted in quanta,<<

Yes

>>and the frequency may depend upon the total energy production of the cell. More energy production = higher frequency.<<

If you talking about cells of plants or animals (or anything else above molecular level) the frequency is a function of temperature.

Hmm now that I think about it, that energy emission (black body radiation) is one of the best ways to show the breakdown of classical physics. I kind of see where you are going.


211 posted on 08/01/2007 3:55:45 PM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words)
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To: csense

>>He’s framing a theological, or philosophical, argument, rather than a scientific one. Your objection is duly noted, but but invalid on those terms.<<

My apologies. On reflection I see you are correct.


212 posted on 08/01/2007 4:04:01 PM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words)
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To: ok_now
"Do you know the relation between frequency and the energy contained in a quantum?"

Absolutely not!

I'm getting this from a young cousin (26) who is making over $300K / year playing with this stuff. He has some images of light being emmited inside a cell nucleus that are bizzare.

213 posted on 08/01/2007 5:00:14 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: gondramB
"compared to 1x10^14 for a atomic nucleus"

Would you like to try again? ;o)

214 posted on 08/01/2007 5:08:38 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: editor-surveyor
"Do you know the relation between frequency and the energy contained in a quantum?" Absolutely not! I'm getting this from a young cousin (26) who is making over $300K / year playing with this stuff.

It's been obvious all along that you don't have a clue to what you're talking about. Are you now admitting that that you are selectively quoting and using someone else's education out of context in a dishonest attempt to juxtapose real science with your own bogus anti-science?

215 posted on 08/01/2007 6:00:00 PM PDT by shuckmaster
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To: editor-surveyor
"Do you know the relation between frequency and the energy contained in a quantum?"

Absolutely not!

I'm getting this from a young cousin (26) who is making over $300K / year playing with this stuff. He has some images of light being emmited inside a cell nucleus that are bizzare.

You are trying to lecture the rest of us on quantum mechanics when you don't even know what you are talking about? Give me a break!

216 posted on 08/01/2007 6:08:21 PM PDT by burzum (None shall see me, though my battlecry may give me away -Minsc)
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To: editor-surveyor
We live in a sea of sin.

Sin lies only in hurting other people unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense. (Hurting yourself is not sinful -- just stupid).

Robert A. Heinlein, Time Enough for Love, 1973


217 posted on 08/01/2007 7:00:33 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: editor-surveyor

>>”compared to 1x10^14 for a atomic nucleus”

Would you like to try again? ;o)<<

Apologies.... 1x10^-14


218 posted on 08/01/2007 7:12:04 PM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words)
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To: burzum

You’re upset because I couldn’t quote the exact relationship between freq and energy? Give me the break!


219 posted on 08/01/2007 7:59:56 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: shuckmaster
" Are you now admitting that that you are selectively quoting and using someone else's education out of context in a dishonest attempt to juxtapose real science with your own bogus anti-science?"

Get off your high horse you plastic penguin; that exactly what you do constantly, so you assume that's what I do? I was trying to share some really interesting, cutting edge stuff with a few intelligent people here, so it doesn't concern you anyway.

220 posted on 08/01/2007 8:04:03 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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