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Merchants: AK-47s good for business; Critics fear powerful rifles might land in wrong hands
herald online ^ | 07/26/07 | Adam O'Daniel

Posted on 07/26/2007 8:46:27 AM PDT by holymoly

The same type of gun commonly used by Iraqi security forces is legally being sold to civilians in Rock Hill.

Surprised? Don't be. It's been happening for years in York County, and more stores are offering AK-47 assault rifles as their popularity grows among collectors since federal restrictions on their sales were lifted in 2004.

But law enforcement officials say they've found shell casings at crime scenes recently, and gun-control advocates claim the guns weren't designed for retail sale.

Take a drive along Cherry Road, and you'll see David's Pawn Shop advertising the weapons on its marquee, "AK-47s Now In Stock." Owner David Dresner said he started selling the Romanian-made weapon recently, and it's been a big hit with collectors and for those taking target practice. Some individuals also use the guns for hunting, he said.

David's is one of the first pawn shops in the area to start selling the guns, he said. Larger gun dealers including Nichols Store southeast of Rock Hill and the Sportsman in Newport have been selling the weapons for years, clerks at both stores said.

"We've sold a bunch of them," Dresner said, estimating he sells four or five AK-47s each week. "I've been surprised at how well they've sold."

Dresner said the AK-47 he sells is a semi-automatic rifle just like the ones used by Iraqi police allied with U.S. troops in the Middle East. It looks similar to the famed Russian AK-47, a fully automatic machine gun made popular during the Cold War. Those guns, however, are only sold to individuals specially licensed by the Department of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, he said. And they carry a $25,000 price tag.

Priced from $550 to $800

The assault rifles Dresner and other local dealers offer are priced between $550 and $800. State law also requires a mandatory background check before the gun can be sold -- just like any other gun sale -- that takes between 20 minutes and three days.

From 1994 to 2004, a federal ban on assault weapons, including AK-47s, limited the kinds of guns dealers could sell. Dresner said the AK-47 was still sold, but only with magazines that held three rounds or less. The ban expired in 2004 and the guns can now be purchased with up to 100 round drums, Dresner said.

And they can be fired "as fast as you can pull the trigger," he said.

That's the main reason gun-control advocates are concerned about the sale of assault weapons. They claim the guns were manufactured for killing people, not any other reason.

"AK-47s should not be available for sale. There's really no argument," said Zach Ragbourn, a spokesman for the Brady Campaign, the nation's leading gun-control lobby. "They're designed to attack people, period. They're not for hunting or a fun collector's item."

Ragbourn said the term "assault weapon" was coined by the gun industry years ago as a marketing tool. He said any weapon capable of firing multiple rounds in a split second shouldn't be offered on store shelves.

"A 100-round magazine is not a cosmetic feature," he said. "It's nothing but a bunch of lead in the air in a short amount of time."

Ragbourn said lobbyists are pushing lawmakers to reinstate the assault weapon ban.

Locally, Lt. Les Herring of the Rock Hill Police Department said several shell casings from the high-powered rifles have turned up at crime scenes recently. He said there are two or three unsolved shootings, none fatal, where investigators found the bullet shells.

"We know people are shooting them, but that's about all we know," he said.

Herring said there isn't any data that suggests more assault weapons are used for violent crimes now than before the weapons ban expired. However, any time a weapon capable of firing rounds quickly is in the hands of a criminal, it's a concern, he said.

"People who want one will go wherever they have to in order to get one," Herring said, adding that before the guns were sold locally, people would travel to other places to make purchases. "The threat's always been out there. We've always had that concern."

Dresner doesn't believe the guns he sells are going directly into the hands of criminals. He said the background checks and clientele he sees on a regular basis suggest otherwise.

"It's just a souvenir, to be able to say, 'I've got an AK-47,'" Dresner said. "I bet 90 percent of the people who buy it won't even shoot the first bullet."

When he thinks a gun may end up in the wrong hands, Dresner refuses the sale, he said. Recently, a man passed a background check to purchase a handgun, but Dresner overheard him joking with a friend that he was going to use the gun for violence.

"I said, 'Sorry buddy. You just talked your way out of this gun,'" Dresner said. "It's not worth it to have that on your conscious."

Dresner said most guns used in violent crimes are bought illegally or stolen from a responsible owner.

"Could it get into the wrong hands? I guess," he said about the AK-47s. "But the average person who buys it is legit."

Adam O'Daniel • 329-4069

aodaniel@heraldonline.com


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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

In 1981 Handgun Control Inc.(Brady Campaign today), put out a statment that they ONLY wanted to control handguns. Long guns would not be affected.
I can give you a list from the 1960’s to today of lies told by these people.

I know. I’m on your side, you do understand this, right?

I own several weapons they classify the same as the AK47’s in this article. AR-10 is one of them, in .308


61 posted on 07/26/2007 11:30:53 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: Billthedrill

***A particularly outrageous and bold-faced lie. ***

Actually that is not true. I have some old magazines (Guns and Ammo and others) that used the terms way back in the 1970’s and early 80’s. G&A put out several special issues titled ASSAULT RIFLES before the ban craze started. The publishers of Handgun Tests, Pistolero also put out a nice issue along with seeveral independent publishers.

Well guess what! I just happen to have them in front of me right now! Still good reading!

Sometimes we are our own worst enemies.


62 posted on 07/26/2007 11:39:33 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (When someone burns a cross on your lawn the best firehose is an AK-47.)
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To: holymoly
From 1994 to 2004, a federal ban on assault weapons, including AK-47s, limited the kinds of guns dealers could sell. Dresner said the AK-47 was still sold, but only with magazines that held three rounds or less. The ban expired in 2004 and the guns can now be purchased with up to 100 round drums, Dresner said.
  1. The 1994 Crime Bill did not cover "AK-47s". It only covered SEMI-AUTOMATIC rifles which could accept magazines in excess of 10 rounds. NFA'34 regulates FULLY-AUTOMATIC weaons like the AK-47.
  2. There was no prohibition against selling said SEMI-AUTOMATIC rifles with magazines containing more than three (3) rounds. My Hungarian FEG came with a five (5) round magazine. I purchased as many thirty (30) round magazines as I wanted.
  3. 100 round drums were available for purchase, even though the population of such drums had been frozen due to the "AWB" prohibition from importation of magazines >10 rounds.
  4. After the sunset of the "AWB" little changed except that the price of NORMAL capacity magazines was restored to unskewed market value and certain "cosmetic features", which did not alter the function of the weapon, were no longer disallowed. However, there were already so many chicom mags in country, I doubt the prices changed all that much, except for 100 round drums. And instead of a pressed and pin "compensator", you can now have a threaded "flash supressor" and a bayo lug!

We should insist on precision in language and not allow them to "gloss over" very important distinctions, which failure to follow will land the prospective gun-buyer in club Fed. If they don't understand the laws, then we should insist they be repealed. If what they really want is the banning of all weapons, let's have at it.

63 posted on 07/26/2007 11:44:29 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: wastedyears
Guns are manufactured for the sole reason of killing things.

BS. You're getting sucked into the liberal lies. I have a safe full of a variety of firearms. I have fired thousands of rounds from most of them. The only firearms in that safe that have been aimed at living things are my old bolt action .22LR rabbit rifle and a shotgun I received as part of my family estate. The other rounds were directed at precision target shooting or spinners on a target range. There are a few collectibles that have never been fired.

64 posted on 07/26/2007 11:51:28 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: holymoly

I am constantly amazed at how stupid the reporters who write these gun control agitprop pieces are. Apparently the editors are equally stupid.


65 posted on 07/26/2007 11:53:22 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Ragbourn said the term "assault weapon" was coined by the gun industry years ago as a marketing tool.

You are, I am sure, aware that the term "assault rifle" is a time-honored and specific term referring to a rifle-caliber firearm with selective fire. "Assault weapon" is the term in question here. Do your magazines reference "assault weapons" or "assault rifles"? If the former I shall stand corrected.

66 posted on 07/26/2007 12:01:07 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Hot Tabasco

I have a Mosin-Nagant that uses the same ammo.
And it is a BOLT_ACTION.

I agree. The author is stupid.


67 posted on 07/26/2007 12:07:24 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: Billthedrill

From Guns and Ammo..
ASSAULT RIFLES..1982..COMPLETE DATA ON SEMI-AUTOS FROM ARMALITE-BERETTA-COLT FN-H&K...

INTERNATIONAL COMBAT ARMS 1983..ASSAULT RIFLE ROUNDUP: Military and Civilian.

ASSAULT FIREARMS..1984

ASSAULT RIFLES..1992

***
SHOOTER’S SURVIVAL GUIDE 1981..Assault Rifles for Defense

***
ASSAULT WEAPONS (Publishers of Handgun Tests) 1983..ASSAULT RIFLES.COLT AR 15, RUGER MINI-14,
FN FAL, M1,
H & K, AKM, UZI

Not to mention some of the old SWAT magazines I also have.


68 posted on 07/26/2007 12:16:24 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (When someone burns a cross on your lawn the best firehose is an AK-47.)
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To: TexConfederate1861

No you don’t. 7.62 X54R (which is what your Mosin Nagant is chambered for) and 7.62 X 39 are very different cartridges.


69 posted on 07/26/2007 12:31:38 PM PDT by activationproducts
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To: activationproducts

My apologies, Sir...I was under the impression that the AK-47 took 7.62X54......I stand corrected :)


70 posted on 07/26/2007 1:24:44 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: activationproducts
Probably Bulgaria (former east bloc), not Belgium (west bloc).

Yep. It is an Arsenal.
71 posted on 07/26/2007 1:35:11 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: holymoly

“The same type of gun commonly used by Iraqi security forces is legally being sold to civilians in Rock Hill.”

Pure, unadulterated bullsh*t, of course, but we’ve come to expect no less from MSM reports on the gun issue.


72 posted on 07/26/2007 2:10:22 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Barney Gumble
"The first lie really was that he called an AK-47 a powerful rifle. People can buy hunting rifles that are much more powerful."

Indeed.
73 posted on 07/26/2007 2:13:49 PM PDT by FortWorthPatriot
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To: Myrddin

If your life is threatened, I think you’re going to use whatever is in your hand at the time.


74 posted on 07/26/2007 4:47:16 PM PDT by wastedyears (Freedom is the right of all sentient beings - Peter Cullen as Optimus Prime)
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To: wastedyears

I have no problem with firearms that are capable of killing criminals who pose an imminent threat to your or another innocent’s life, armed enemies of this nation or as many gun grabbing tyrants as is necessary to protect liberty and the consdtitution.


75 posted on 07/26/2007 6:01:26 PM PDT by DMZFrank
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar; Billthedrill
Ragbourn said the term "assault weapon" was coined by the gun industry years ago as a marketing tool.

Nonsense. Can you say Josh Sugarman? Sure you can.

76 posted on 07/26/2007 7:56:29 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: holymoly

I would rather purchase a PS-90.


77 posted on 07/26/2007 8:41:50 PM PDT by Chewbacca (Vote Ron Paul for President in 2008!!!!!! The best man for the job!)
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To: wastedyears
If your life is threatened, I think you’re going to use whatever is in your hand at the time.

Non sequitur. You claimed guns are only made for killing. I pointed out that only one firearm in my substantial collection has ever been used to kill anything. My bolt action .22LR rifle put rabbits on my table in high school. The rest of the firearms have been used for nothing but plinking and target practice. You're attempting to switch issues or replying to the wrong post.

78 posted on 07/26/2007 9:53:16 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: holymoly

Oh brother, not this $#!+ again!


79 posted on 07/26/2007 10:08:16 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: MileHi; Billthedrill

***Nonsense. Can you say Josh Sugarman? Sure you can.***

Can you say Mel Tappan 1977?

And here is some more magazines that I have in front of me right now..

SWAT SHOWDOWN ‘83 1983

SURVIVAL WEAPONS AND TACTICS...1983

THE COMPLETE BOOK OF ASSAULT RIFLES 1985.

Josh Sugarman didn’t write his diatribe till 1988.


80 posted on 07/27/2007 12:24:34 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (When someone burns a cross on your lawn the best firehose is an AK-47.)
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