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1 posted on 07/26/2007 7:03:20 AM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 07/26/2007 7:03:46 AM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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” Pesci Slavisa said the image can only be seen in a certain light and that he had to use his computer skills to reveal it. “

I could probably photoshop the looter guy into it


4 posted on 07/26/2007 7:04:42 AM PDT by sure_fine ( • not one to over kill the thought process)
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Holy cow.


5 posted on 07/26/2007 7:05:09 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Brian J. Marotta, 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub, (1948-2007) Rest In Peace, our FRiend)
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YOu know, I saw a Knights Templar in my cheerios the other morning. I ate it.


6 posted on 07/26/2007 7:05:19 AM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to protect it.)
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"...the result is a new painting with other figures."

"Judas!... Would you like a beverage?"

10 posted on 07/26/2007 7:14:49 AM PDT by Charles Martel (The Tree of Liberty thirsts.)
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“The news may revive the debate about the painting’s alleged hidden meanings, which was stirred up by Dan Brown’s bestselling thriller The Da Vinci Code.

In The Da Vinci Code, Brown controversially suggested, among other things, that the figure closest to Jesus in the painting was not St John but Mary Magdalene.”
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For the life of me I just can’t understand all the hoopla!

It is a painting...not a photograph of the Last Supper. DaVinci was NOT in attendence at that table, so ANY depiction that he creates is from his imagination.


12 posted on 07/26/2007 7:15:01 AM PDT by Roccus (Able Danger??? What's an Able Danger?????)
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How many times has the Last Supper been repainted? There was almost nothing visible for many years before some early restorers. For all we know, that is a picture of Helen Thomas that DaVinci painted after consulting with Nostradamus about ‘The Beast’..
13 posted on 07/26/2007 7:16:22 AM PDT by mnehring (Ron Paul is as much of a Constitutionalist as Fred Phelps is a Christian)
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Considering the sad history of this mural, it isn't surprising that any amount of ambiguous imagery could be found.

The Wikipedia (a poor source generally but in its current article on Leonardo's The Last Supper it appears to be on firm enough footing):

Medium

Leonardo painted The Last Supper on a dry wall rather than on wet plaster, so it is not a true fresco. Because a fresco cannot be modified as the artist works, Leonardo instead chose to seal the stone wall with a layer of pitch, gesso and mastic, then paint onto the sealing layer with tempera. Because of the method used, the piece has not withstood time very well – within several years of completion it already began showing signs of deterioration.

Damage and restorations

As early as 1517 the painting was starting to flake. By 1556—less than sixty years after it was finished — Leonardo's biographer Giorgio Vasari described the painting as already "ruined" and so deteriorated that the figures were unrecognisable. In 1652 a doorway was cut through the (then unrecognisable) painting, and later bricked up; this can still be seen as the irregular arch shaped structure near the centre base of the painting. It is believed, through early copies, that Jesus' feet were in a position symbolizing the forthcoming crucifixion. In 1768 a curtain was hung over the painting for the purpose of protection; it instead trapped moisture on the surface, and whenever the curtain was pulled back, it scratched the flaking paint.

A first restoration was attempted in 1726 by Michelangelo Bellotti, who filled in missing sections with oil paint then varnished the whole mural. This repair lasted very poorly and another restoration was attempted in 1770 by Giuseppe Mazza. Mazza stripped off Bellotti's work then largely repainted the painting; he had redone all but three faces when he was halted due to public outrage. In 1796 French troops used the refectory as an armory; they threw stones at the painting and climbed ladders to scratch out the Apostles' eyes. The refectory was then later used as a prison; it is not known if any of the prisoners may have damaged the painting. In 1821 Stefano Barezzi, an expert in removing whole frescoes from their walls intact, was called in to remove the painting to a safer location; he badly damaged the centre section before realising that Leonardo's work was not a fresco. Barezzi then attempted to reattach damaged sections with glue. From 1901 to 1908, Luigi Cavenaghi first completed a careful study of the structure of the painting, then began cleaning it. In 1924 Oreste Silvestri did further cleaning, and stabilised some parts with stucco.

During World War II, on August 15, 1943, the refectory was struck by a bomb; protective sandbagging prevented the painting being struck by bomb splinters, but it may have been damaged further by the vibration. From 1951 to 1954 another clean-and-stabilise restoration was undertaken by Mauro Pelliccioli.

Major restoration

The painting's appearance in the late 1970s was badly deteriorated. From 1978 to 1999 Pinin Brambilla Barcilon guided a major restoration project which undertook to permanently stabilize the painting, and reverse the damage caused by dirt, pollution, and the misguided 18th century and 19th century restoration attempts. Since it had proved impractical to move the painting to a more controlled environment, the refectory was instead converted to a sealed, climate controlled environment. Then, detailed study was undertaken to determine the painting's original form, using scientific tests (especially infrared reflectoscopy and microscopic core-samples), and original cartoons preserved in the Royal Library at Windsor Castle. Some areas were deemed unrestorable. These were re-painted with watercolour in subdued colours intended to indicate they were not original work, whilst not being too distracting.

This restoration took 21 years and on May 28, 1999 the painting was put back on display, although intending visitors are required to book ahead and can only stay for 15 minutes. When it was unveiled, considerable controversy was aroused by the dramatic changes in colours, tones, and even some facial shapes. James Beck, professor of art history at Columbia University and founder of ArtWatch International, has been a particularly strong critic.


15 posted on 07/26/2007 7:17:36 AM PDT by snowsislander
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Some things you read, and you just laugh, shake your head, and don’t give it another moments thought.

This is one of those times.

Now, if the guy had found a likeness of Jesus in his grilled cheese sandwich I’m all over it!

(chuckle)


16 posted on 07/26/2007 7:17:51 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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I wonder what was on the back side of the page in the magazine. Print-through?


17 posted on 07/26/2007 7:19:28 AM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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"John, your bill comes to $3.12"
"Does anyone have change for a $20?"

Mary....sheesh!!! Uh guys...DaVinci WASN'T REALLY THERE AT THE LAST SUPPER!!!!

18 posted on 07/26/2007 7:20:42 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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It would not surprise me to discover that there are figures in an underpainting that were eliminated or repositioned in the final composition. That doesn’t make them “secret messages”.


20 posted on 07/26/2007 7:20:50 AM PDT by LexBaird (Tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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Wait, there’s a Hooter’s girl in the painting? Who would have thought DaVinci was that creative.
23 posted on 07/26/2007 7:21:39 AM PDT by Pistolshot (Every woman, who can, should learn to shoot, and carry a gun.)
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27 posted on 07/26/2007 7:25:10 AM PDT by hardback (l)
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What are the chances that he just painted over another picture?

It’s been done before.


28 posted on 07/26/2007 7:25:50 AM PDT by airborne (ATTENTION PA FREEPERS !! https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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The Last Supper was largely an experimental piece on the part of Leonardo. Traditional fresco painting was done in one of two styles, buon or secco. Both employed water soluble media, with buon fresco being painted into the wet plaster, and secco fresco painted onto plaster that had already dried. By nature, fresco, particularly the buon technique offered tremendous permanence, it did not allow for the optical effects that could be achieved with a oil paints and the layering of translucent layers, glazes and varnishes. Leonardo's Last Supper was an attempt on the part of the artist to reconcile the best of both worlds, and while producing a monumental example of Renaissance painting, his experiment was a technical failure, and began to decay during the artist's own lifetime.

The fact of the matter is, this painting has been "restored" and repaired so many times by so many hands that there is plenty of doubt as to how close what we see today is to what Leonardo actually painted. I find it highly doubtful that any "newly discovered" hidden or subliminal symbols were actually part of the original design, or if they were, were only hidden by subsequent artists.

The whole Dan Brown thing, about the presence of Mary Magdalene's appearance in the painting is highly spurious, given that most of the faces as we view them now, are probably only vague suggestions of the manner in which they were originally rendered.

29 posted on 07/26/2007 7:25:59 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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Is this the same guy who hears stuff when playing old Beatles records backwards at 66 rpm?


35 posted on 07/26/2007 7:33:36 AM PDT by nuke rocketeer
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Not to worry folks, King Jesus will be returning when He is least expected, and we’ll get it all settled then. ;

PS - Don’t Leave Earth Without Him.


42 posted on 07/26/2007 7:41:47 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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“I noticed a strange effect, like a shadow, when I was looking through a magazine with a reproduction of The Last Supper,” the 36-year-old explained.

“So I scanned the painting and printed it onto a transparent sheet, which I then laid over the original image.

I don't understand why this genius had to scan the image. It's already been done and available within seconds via a Google image search. One good sized image here:

The Last Supper

TM

43 posted on 07/26/2007 7:42:52 AM PDT by poindexters brother
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“The book argues Mary Magdalene was misrepresented in male-dominated Christian history because she allegedly led the Apostles and started Jesus’s blood line: supposedly the real ‘Holy Grail’ (in French, ’sang real’ or royal blood).”

The argument that early Christianity was “male dominated” is false. Given the context of the time and place, Christianity represented radical liberation for women. My favorite example is the story of Mary and Martha. Martha is cranky that Mary is sitting and listening to Jesus preach. Jesus tells Martha that Mary has chosen the better part and “it will not be taken away from her.” This when Jewish women (and for hundreds of years after) were not allowed to study the Torah. Paul mentions several women as leaders in the Church. Mary, the mother of Jesus and the early female saints are other examples of strong women. These women were scrubbed from the traditions during the Reformation but certainly served me as role models growing up in Parochial schools.


44 posted on 07/26/2007 7:43:57 AM PDT by Mercat
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