Posted on 07/23/2007 2:27:03 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084
And so, since you "think" he possibly does, would it be fair to assume that you're leaning toward accelerating the anti-smoking Taliban's next step in the Great March Forward? Smoking as child abuse: the new best friend of neurotic control freaks and junk-science grant addicts everywhere.
This sort of inflammatory hyperbole certainly doesn't help your position.
Smoking as child abuse: the new best friend of neurotic control freaks and junk-science grant addicts everywhere.
Breathe, Madame, just breathe. Remember your blood pressure.
If you read the rest of my posts, you'd see that I haven't made up my mind yet. I believe there is something to be concerned about, and I believe the principles of the Constitution clearly allow for regulating the behavior of others when it affects someone else. Not every issue demands government response, but I believe this one might.
That said, I don't think the feds should be involved AT ALL.
ROTFLOL! My favorite is his “asshole” rant! I want that darn Caddy he’s driving in the video :)
I drive really slow in the ultra fast lane, while people behind me are going insane....Hahahaa, he’s throwing styrofoam containers out of the car!
Hell, Denis for president!
Characterizing my accurate observation as "inflammatory hyperbole" is a common tactic.
Breathe, Madame, just breathe. Remember your blood pressure.
As is condescension. Really, it loses its effectiveness after a while. You might want to rethink this one.
Not every issue demands government response, but I believe this one might.
And what might be the basis for your "belief?"
That said, I don't think the feds should be involved AT ALL.
But you would have no problem with the states legislating that a father smoking in his own home is engaging in child abuse?
Just what is is that you're having trouble making up your mind about?
It seems that it's not the notion, just who should legislate it.
You’re in Michigan? Where in the hell is “Reed City”? My second oldest girl, and my grandbabies are stuck out there in a mobile home. I just found out yesterday, that she moved there. They used to live in LeRoy.
>>What the Hell do you think this is? A free country? We are wards of the state.
Rather willing and docile ones, don’tcha know.
Life kills and there is a world full of reasons for dieing that can be taken away via loss of personal freedom.
Some actually promote the idea that living without personal freedom makes life worth living before one dies.
Go figure.
We are all going to die however not all of us are going to live...
I haven't decided if the negative effects of smoking on non-smokers is sufficient to seek a statutory remedy.
That's about a plain as I can make it.
I am keenly aware of the individual liberty issue at stake, but non-smokers also have individual liberties.
At what point does the non-smoker's situation outweigh the smoker's? Where's the line?
Should a smoker be permitted to light up any kind of smoking material anywhere he's legally permitted to be? ...in a hospital? ...in church? ...as a guest in someone else's home?
Should a smoker with a non-smoking spouse and children be OK to chain-smoke all day long with the windows closed, as his infant daughter plays nearby in a playpen?
Have you ever tried looking at it from the non-smoker's perspective?
It's a legal product.
It's like saying SUV's need to be regulated for IF an SUV goes head on with a Yugo in an accident the occupants of the Yugo don't stand a chance.
Only when we all drone to lockstep agenda and lose all individual freedom will the the arguments end.
The arguments end won't come for it's human nature to be individual as long as there is two humans or more on the face of the earth.
Where the hell is "LeRoy"?
I never heard of LeRoy but just checked a map and Reed City is about 15 miles south of LeRoy. If she moved from LeRoy to Reed City then she's moving "up". LeRoy is off M-131 on the western part of the state as is Reed City but Reed City must be bigger because its written in bigger letters on the map than the surrounding cities.
I have no idea what goes on in Reed City but its gotta be better than LeRoy. Reed city is kinda like being from Mexicao rather than Nicaragua or Guatemala. You know that Mexico is bigger and better than Nicaragua or Guatemala but that doesn't mean you want to live there ........
If she keeps moving south, she's going to end up in the really big dead city of Grand Rapids........but don't worry, on the map she has about another 4 1/2 inches to go.......
No, it's not like that at all. Your SUV doesn't have a good chance of harming me simply by being near it. There seems to be a likelihood that smoking does.
...and smoking isn't an accident.
Public buses spew smoky exhaust that I don't like because it makes me sneeze and give me a headache because of it.
They should be taxed and/or banned. ; )
Not only THAT, I have to spend my hard earned labor on climate regulation in my SUV so I don't have to put up with the stench of diesel exhaust from those evil public buses while I am commuting.
I think that public bus diesel exhaust may be causing me to be experiencing a lassisazical attitude, making me tired, and most likely shortening my life because of inhaling the exhaust.
There's just got to be SOMETHING that our forefathers put into the Constitution that I can use to stop the use of public transportation so I can live in peace and comfort again.
If not, can it be amended for me and my concerns?
Although I've never made the argument that they should, allow me to address your straw men:
In a hospital....as a guest in someone elses's home?
If it's private property, the owner calls the shots.
in church?
Not once in my life have I witnessed anyone light a cigarette in church. See, back in the good old days, before smoking became the bogeyman du jour for neurotics and busybodies, there was actual etiquette regarding smoking. This is something that the smoking Taliban has tried to disappear down the memory hole of course. The idea that anyone would light up in church, or ever had, is utterly ridiculous but your bringing it up shows just how deep that memory hole has become.
Should a smoker with a non-smoking spouse and children be OK to chain-smoke all day long with the windows closed, as his infant daughter plays nearby in a playpen?
You know, I've been wondering when the smoking Taliban would be producing their version of "Reefer Madness." You've provided a good script outline. Good luck in your new career.
Have you ever tried looking at it from the non-smoker's perspective?
"Tried looking at it?"
How could one avoid the screeching and hand-wringing lo these many years?
I've looked, and still come down on the individual freedom, property rights and anti-junk science side. How about that?
Why don’t we simply build a fence around the smokers and treat them like lepers?
You’re more worthy of the honor.
You have made it much clearer to me why you have trouble making up your mind.
If you were locked up in a garage with a running SUV, you'd better believe it could cause you harm by being near it. If I locked you up in a garage with a thousand smokers for an hour, you wouldn't like it, but you wouldn't be dead. But there are parking garages that forbid smoking, because it's "so dangerous". It is pure hysteria.
After I posted to you, I got driving directions from Yahoo maps. She’s closer to her auntie in Maine, than us.
I saw a pic, and the signal lights are hung on cables. It actually looks like a decent, old fashioned town.
I had a great grand aunt and uncle who lived in MI. I think it was Ann Arbor. I saw them when I was 9, and was totally blown away with the all the green vegetation. Beautiful place to live, but babycakes is making min wage 9 hours on her feet. We had a huge ugly family blow up a couple of years ago, and I want to see her and my grandbabies. No comment on the bum she hooked up with, except she’s supporting 4 people.
Lol, my girl told me that LeRoy was like living on the Jerry Springer show! I love her dearly, and want her and the babies to have a better life.
Where have you been? It's already been done. Smokers are the "new n_ggers". That's naggers for anyone with a racist subconscious mind.
Even better, why don't they just ban all tobacco products instead of resorting to social engineering, discrimination and bogus studies? You know why. If you believe that you are exempt from the fetid breath of tyranny or get a "Get Out of Health Fascism" free card as a non-smoker you are in for a rude awakening my FRiend.
I want you to get back to me in 2 weeks when you see how the "health authorities" don't support this bill. Deal?
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