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Robot air attack squadron bound for Iraq
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Posted on 07/15/2007 11:32:19 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

Robot air attack squadron bound for Iraq

By CHARLES J. HANLEY, AP Special Correspondent 30 minutes ago

The airplane is the size of a jet fighter, powered by a turboprop engine, able to fly at 300 mph and reach 50,000 feet. It's outfitted with infrared, laser and radar targeting, and with a ton and a half of guided bombs and missiles.

The Reaper is loaded, but there's no one on board. Its pilot, as it bombs targets in Iraq, will sit at a video console 7,000 miles away in Nevada.

The arrival of these outsized U.S. "hunter-killer" drones, in aviation history's first robot attack squadron, will be a watershed moment even in an Iraq that has seen too many innovative ways to hunt and kill.

That moment, one the Air Force will likely low-key, is expected "soon," says the regional U.S. air commander. How soon? "We're still working that," Lt. Gen. Gary North said in an interview.

The Reaper's first combat deployment is expected in Afghanistan, and senior Air Force officers estimate it will land in Iraq sometime between this fall and next spring. They look forward to it.

"With more Reapers, I could send manned airplanes home," North said.

The Associated Press has learned that the Air Force is building a 400,000-square-foot expansion of the concrete ramp area now used for Predator drones here at Balad, the biggest U.S. air base in Iraq, 50 miles north of Baghdad. That new staging area could be turned over to Reapers.

It's another sign that the Air Force is planning for an extended stay in Iraq, supporting Iraqi government forces in any continuing conflict, even if U.S. ground troops are drawn down in the coming years.

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KEYWORDS: aviation; miltech; reaper; thereaper; uav; ucav; whisperingdeath
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To: Sub-Driver; Jim Robinson
This is a Free Republic Exclusive:

In January 1984, I sat in a Q&A session in Okinawa. The speaker was General Robert T. (Tom) Marsh, Commander of Air Force Systems Command (AFSC). The questioners were 30 F-15 pilots stationed at Kadena AB in Okinawa. Most of the questions had to do with unmanned aircraft.

General Marsh was somewhat evasive in his answers but in no way denied that unmanned aircraft were being planned. What the pilots were anxious about was something that those of us in the aircraft Research and Development community had always known: The pilot and the hardware to support him are the weak link in the performance of any aircraft. Altitude ceilings, weight limits, and G-force envelopes are limited by the tolerance and capability of the human system controlling the aircraft.

This was in the early days of high-speed satellite link communication and certainly well before the internet became a reality. It is only now that I feel comfortable revealing that the concept of remotely manned aircraft had been under development at AFSC since the early 80's. In those days, the AFSC Command Surgeon's office in which I was Chief, Clinical Medicine had begun to undertake a project known as "Human Capability Enhancement." The purpose was to develop systems that would enable humans to tolerate more g-forces, see farther, hear better, stay alert longer, and think faster. At some point in 1985, we were directed to cease or sharply curtail all of our efforts. The explanation was classified but we figured it out. Take the man out of the aircraft, put him in a comfortable seat in a climate and altitude-controlled environment and the aircraft's weight is reduced and its performance is dramatically enhanced.

In the mid-80's remotely controlled aircraft were a concept under heavy security and intense development. Many dominoes had to fall in order for it to become a reality. It appears the hurdles have been cleared. Good luck and God speed, Reaper.

81 posted on 07/16/2007 8:19:54 AM PDT by CholeraJoe (Ratzaz! There. I do give one about something.)
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To: magslinger

Not only hacking, but look for many new anti-air weapons from our friendly WallMart suppliers in the near future.

Slow moving, lightly built, perfect target for mobile ground based laser.

Also, expanding rod munitions modded to become expanding net. Catch them like butterflies.


82 posted on 07/16/2007 8:20:06 AM PDT by wrench
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To: CholeraJoe

Good place to bump this thread, primary source material. Thanks for the post.


83 posted on 07/16/2007 10:27:12 AM PDT by Kevmo (We need to get away from the Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party ~Duncan Hunter)
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To: vietvet67

“The skies over Iraq should be covered with these weapons.”

“Damn the cost.”

I read that 4 Reapers with ground equipment are $69 million. That’s a hell of a bargain.


84 posted on 07/16/2007 10:34:35 AM PDT by ryan71 (You can hear it on the coconut telegraph...)
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To: ryan71
Plus, that's 4-6 pilots who don't have to go through Undergraduate Pilot Training at $1 million each. The controllers of the unmanned aircraft are usually young enlisted who grew up playing video games.

They don't have to have perfect health, hearing or eyesight. If they get sleepy, they just hand off control to the fresh guy next to them. It doesn't matter how many G's they can take without blacking out. The aircraft can handle 12. They don't pull any.

85 posted on 07/16/2007 10:47:54 AM PDT by CholeraJoe (Ratzaz! There. I do give one about something.)
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To: wrench
Anything that could knock down a a drone could probably also knock down down a manned aircraft. The difference is that if it's a drone, the "pilot" will be in the EM club that night telling about how he got shot down in hostile territory. In the case of the manned aircraft one of the better possible outcomes would be one (or more) of our guys desperately trying to remember his SERE training.

I generally like the concept of of drones. Things can be replaced. I am concerned that they could be taken out by hacking. The possibility of drones in friendly fire incidents didn't escape me, either, but I would guess that they should have that pretty well covered.

86 posted on 07/16/2007 3:08:13 PM PDT by magslinger (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors. And miss. R.A.Heinlein)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Skynet

They're not self-aware.....just yet.

87 posted on 07/16/2007 3:11:06 PM PDT by Recovering Hermit (There's another old saying Senator..."Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.")
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To: wastedyears
Metallica, Creeping Death

anything off Megadeth's Peace Sells but Who's Buying?
and for the irony, Hezobollah by Megadeth.
Black Sabbath, NIB
Also, any good burn for Doom.

As for classical, screw Wagner. Try Holsts' The Planets, Op. 32/H 125: Mars http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/6840639/a/Time+Life+Presents+-+Classical+Thunder.htm

88 posted on 07/16/2007 4:57:32 PM PDT by rmlew (Build a wall, attrit the illegals, end the anchor babies, Americanize Immigrants)
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To: Jeff Head

I am 101% for these things......stacked and loitering over infantry that has ability to paint a target will make these things very popular with the grunt on the ground.

UCAV’s will be the fastest CAS the troops on the ground can get IMO.


89 posted on 07/16/2007 5:06:51 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Squantos

Yup.

UCAVs are also a much harder target for Congress to shoot down over Iraq.


90 posted on 07/16/2007 8:51:35 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Squantos
I am 101% for these things......stacked and loitering over infantry that has ability to paint a target will make these things very popular with the grunt on the ground. UCAV’s will be the fastest CAS the troops on the ground can get IMO.

Then what happens to my beloved Spectre gunships? Gonzo?

You see "Son of Specter" yet? Got a COIL laser on it. Bet that leaves a mark.

91 posted on 07/17/2007 12:20:09 AM PDT by spectr17 (What if the Hokey Pokey really is what it's all about?)
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To: spectr17

I’d like to see them mount a .50 cal Gatling gun on a Reaper. Turn it into a “mini-me” version of the A-10


92 posted on 07/17/2007 5:15:18 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Open Season rocks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymLJz3N8ayI)
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