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To: pablo H
This “we’ll keep on fighting till we win somehow” Bush strategy is a complete loser.

If people pay attention, something different is occurring now, and success is abundant. Too bad the politicians aren't paying attention either. The military is killing a lot of terrorists. Iraqis are joining in the fight and turning away from AQ. The government there met almost half of their benchmarks in a few short months.

25 posted on 07/13/2007 10:08:45 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: ilgipper
I’m sure they are Killing a lot of terrorists. The problem is there’s always a terrorist to replace the one we just killed.

Its just like Vietnam, the fighting will continue as long as AQ and the Iraqi insurgents want it to continue. We cannot “win” in Iraq because we cannot impose our will on AQ or stop the terrorism.

As for the Iraqi’s stepping up, you mean there’s “light at the end of the tunnel”. Damn, I’ve heard that before from LBJ and Nixon.

40 posted on 07/13/2007 10:15:03 AM PDT by pablo H (Remember '96- No more Doles!)
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To: ilgipper; pablo H

Right on ilgipper. I was a HUGE Bush supporter but his total lack of ability to deal with his political enemies has cost him the support of millions, including me. BUT, there is nothing wrong in Iraq that couldn’t be fixed with a complete change in ROE. (That’s simplifying it I know). We’re getting a taste of that now but why did it take 4 years to get here? How in the world do we make a deal in wartime that we won’t let our soldiers in various neighborhoods? Or that we can’t shoot back??? That’s where Bush lost me and many others. Give me a real man in the White House...we sorely need one.


111 posted on 07/13/2007 10:46:57 AM PDT by Paco
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To: ilgipper

It’s aggravating how so many otherwise intelligent people on our side are buying this “OH NOEZ WE’RE LOSING IRAQ” nonsense.


131 posted on 07/13/2007 10:55:45 AM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: ilgipper
It's hard to pay the kind of attention we paid before Bush blindsided us and left us searching for answers as to the betrayal.

Those of us who were loyal Bushbots have consistently supported the War and our military (as we still do)...

..but Bush divided our country egregiously, and we are still reeling.

It's hard to get on board the rah rah train...when our perceptions of him were so wrong.

I have literally gone from watching him on TV and saying 'I like this man, bless him'....

..to 'what is he up to now'....

281 posted on 07/17/2007 4:56:27 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President 2008!!!)
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To: ilgipper
If we quit listening to the propagandists and start listening to the troops, it will quickly become apparent that we are making significant progress in Iraq and everything will be all right.

I had a confrontation with someone at church this weekend. Her car was sporting a “Support the troops, bring them home” sticker, and knowing that my husband has been actively involved in several deployments, she asked me if I was “tired of it”. I said “no” and that we remained steadfast in our support of the effort and perhaps, seeing as she is not directly related to any member of the military, she should mind her own business.

I said this all, of course, in the sweetest way possible! What a Murtha!

282 posted on 07/17/2007 5:04:19 AM PDT by GatorGirl (Calling illegals "undocumented workers" is like calling drug dealers "unlicensed pharmacists".)
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