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Vitter Vs Villaraigosa (Rush Limbaugh: Double Standard On Morality Alert)
Rush Limbaugh.com ^ | 07/11/2007 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 07/11/2007 4:12:46 PM PDT by goldstategop

RUSH: Now, this David Vitter thing. Have you noticed...? You know, we have Larry Flynt out there now, and Flynt is taking credit here now for outing David Vitter, and Flynt says, "Well, we're going to find some Democrats in this list, but probably we'll throw 'em back in the river, because Democrats are not hypocrites on this. Democrats are not out there talking about moral values." Well, that may be true, and I'm not naïve and I understand this, but I gotta tell you something. Have you noticed when Democrats have sex outside of marriage, even with interns, it's no big deal? In fact, it's a résumé enhancement! You have the thing going on with the mayor of San Francisco, Gavin Newsom. You have the mayor of Los Angeles, and Bill Clinton. The list is long. This stuff happens on both sides of the aisle. However, when Republicans engage in sex outside of marriage, why, it's a huge story! Look, Clinton is the Democrats' big man on campus. The mayor of LA is still said to be unbeatable, a rising star. But David Vitter is today a slob. Well, frankly, folks, people that do this, to me they're all slobs. This talk about double standard? I know the Democrats don't out there and talk about family values.

Well, actually it's not even true to say that. After the 2004 election loss, they were wringing their hands (for a couple days) over what they were going to have to do to get the values voters because the exit polls show that the values voters did 'em in. So they're out there making moves. They have this new guy Drew Westen, who's trying to teach 'em how to speak again. By the way, George Lakoff (rhymes with)... Speaking of which, I had the most unbelievable e-mail. "Rush, what does Lakoff rhyme with? I don't get the joke." Uh, needless to say, folks, I did not reply. It's one of those that if you don't get it, go ask your mom. No, don't do that! Never mind. (laughs) Don't. If you don't get it, just ask somebody. Ask your dad. Ask your dad. Call Clinton's office. (sigh) That's the way to get the answer. So anyway, they're out there. They make this now-and-again push for "values" now and then, and the mayor of Los Angeles, Villaraigosa says, "I want my privacy. I ask that you will leave us alone. My family and I will to deal with this in private," and the media, all say, "Of course! Why, we understand the need for privacy in the circumstances like this." But here's the thing: these people take marriage vows, too.

Are their marriage vows worthless? If they don't mean it when they take the vow, I assume their oaths are worth nothing as well. And, look, the libs are out there calling for gay marriage, are they not? And, why? "Well, because of the strength of commitment, love is love, and we cannot deny love, anybody who finds it anywhere," aand we're gonna redefine what the family is. All of these sorts of things. They talk about the importance of commitment, and they say, "I know a lot of gay marriages that have a stronger bit of commitment than some heterosexual marriages." They're talking about the commitment and they're talking about the vows and all these sorts of things. But when it comes to the Clintons, "What commitment?" If marriage is important -- and for some people, it is -- then if they don't honor it, they can't simply say, "We don't hold ourselves to a higher standard." What higher standard? You took a vow. You claim marriage is important and then you violate those things, you shouldn't get a pass, but they always get a pass. They should all be treated like Vitter is. I'm not arguing for Vitter to be ignored and so forth, but, anyway, these little things just irritate me now and then. BREAK TRANSCRIPT

This is Jed in Biloxi, Mississippi. You're next, sir. It's great to have you on the program.

CALLER: Hey, mega dittos, Rush. You're the greatest. You're the greatest.

RUSH: Thank you.

CALLER: Listen, I'm from Louisiana, and a big support of David Vitter, a great Republican, you know, he was an up and rising star I guess the Republican Party. And, you know, I'm not one of these people that gives 50 or a hundred bucks to campaigns. I'm giving thousands of dollars to Republican candidates in the state, and I'm so disgusted right now. My question to you is -- and I want to do this but I'm going to hold off because you always hold off when you're aggravated -- should I ask for my money back or stick with a friend in time of need? What do you think?

RUSH: (chuckles)

CALLER: (chuckles)

RUSH: You know, I am not your conscience.

CALLER: (chuckles)

RUSH: I am not (interruption). Now, what are you...? Snerdley, you think I'm backing out here? I am not copping out! Snerdley thinks I'm copping out. You're not going to get your money back anyway. They won't give it back to you.

CALLER: (laughing) I've been told that already. But I could raise a fuss, you know, if I wanted.

RUSH: Well, you gotta weigh some things here. You have to weigh some things in making your decision. Let me walk you through your decision. You've got Vitter. Do you like his work? Do you like what he's done as a senator? Do you like the position he had on illegal immigration for example?

CALLER: Yes, he voted against the bill. Yeah, he's a good conservative. He's a great conservative. I know him. He's a great guy.

RUSH: Is he human?

CALLER: Yes. Yes, he is.

RUSH: Yeah. So that means everybody as a human being commits sin. We've all done it.

CALLER: Yes, that's right.

RUSH: Okay. So boils down to whether or not you want to get mad at him for being a hypocrite.

CALLER: Right.

RUSH: Do you want to let Larry Flynt determine who your senators and congressmen are?

CALLER: Oh, God, no!

RUSH: Well, you remember the name Bob Livingston?

CALLER: Of course I do.

RUSH: Well, what --

CALLER: Of course I do. He blew it, being speaker of the House.

RUSH: What did we get out of that deal? Here you've got Bill Clinton torquing interns in their in the Oval Office. Livingston comes out and says what he says, and he resigns. None of the Democrats ever resign. They get résumé enhancements. The Republicans do a good enough job of shooting themselves in the foot as it is, without this stuff coming up every now and then. I think life would be nothing without understanding and forgiveness.

CALLER: Well, you don't make decisions when you're aggravated and I'm going to hold off for a while, but I'm really scared to death of the Republican Party now, and also you get Republicans in the State Republican Committee people asking for his resignation. I mean what -- what -- what...? Democrats don't ask for that. Like you said, they don't ask for resignations.

RUSH: Of course not. They're résumé enhancements. They're résumé enhancements for these guys. They can kill women and rise to the highest reaches of the United States Senate!

CALLER: That's right. They do. It's frustrating as hell. It really is. I'm not going to ask for it back. I'm going to hold off for a while.

RUSH: Look, the point is, there's a double standard out there. Everybody gets married takes a vow, Republican and Democrat alike -- and the Democrats keep talking about commitment, commitment, commitment, when they start talking about gay marriage, for example. "Gay marriage! We gotta have gay marriage. People who are committed to one another, we must make that possible for them to cement their vows under the eyes of the law," blah, blah, blah.

Okay, fine. They take vows, too. If they violate their vows, nothing happens to them because they supposedly don't run around talking about family values and morality. So they get a pass? Because they don't talk about values and morality, they are free to be as perverted and depraved as they want with no consequences, but because Republicans do talk about morality and values, when they slip up, just like Democrats do, gone. "You hypocrite! You better get outta here! You're not worthy of our leadership." None of them are worthy of our leadership if we're going to judge 'em this way. So there's this double standard. We've sat around here and we've accepted this and we've taken it so long. What Vitter said is right. Just because he fell off whatever, just because he committed his sin, doesn't mean he doesn't know what sin is. It don't disqualify him from sitting in judgment over things that are right or wrong, because everybody makes mistakes. Hopefully you learn from them. But when you make a mistake, the left wants to disqualify you from having any say so in it anymore. Even worse than that, they say, "If you didn't sign up to go to the Army, you have no business talking about war! If you're not an astronaut, you have no business talking about the space program!" They're trying to shut us up. They're trying to stifle speech any which way they can. If we're going to willingly throw away our decent people over something that happens across the human spectrum, well, then we deserve what we're going to end up getting. Nobody can say they maintain the highest standard possible, I don't care if they are a preacher, I don't care if they are in the highest levels of whatever business is oriented around morality in this country; nobody is clean and pure as the wind-driven snow. I hope the answer helped.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: California; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: antoniovillaraigosa; conservatism; davidvitter; doublestandard; forgiveness; larryflynt; liberalism; moralabsolutes; moralrelativism; rushlimbaugh
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To: goldstategop

Neither hypocrisy nor the double standard ever bothered the left.


21 posted on 07/11/2007 4:51:17 PM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: goldstategop
As far as I can see Vitter has acted with great character regarding his past sins. I’ve yet to see a democrat do the same. I still question why this dc madam is revealing only republicans, I want the whole list published, I am sick of it being cherry picked.
22 posted on 07/11/2007 4:54:43 PM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: Mr. Know It All
I don't excuse Vitter's conduct. There should be consequences and Louisiana voters can decide if he's failed to live up to the standards expected of a Senator. My point is that's not Larry Flynt's decision to make.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

23 posted on 07/11/2007 4:56:59 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Digger
Yes, we do have good people that will run but the corrupt national parties snuff them out. Case in point, there is no better man running for president than Duncan Hunter. Look how he is shut out.

Completely! Decent principled conservatives aren't good enough. Many on this forum were falling all over themselves with Rudy the adulterer, and now seem to be fawning over Hollywood b-list actor Fred.

I guess we're getting what we ask for..

24 posted on 07/11/2007 5:01:13 PM PDT by blade_tenner
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To: goldstategop

Sabrina Kay, the Mayor's Shanghai Surprise!

The jilted journalist....

The Summer of Love in Los Angeles! (Note: The City of Los Angeles has deleted all family photos off its websites)

"What am I doing? Trying to sweep it under the rugosa!"

25 posted on 07/11/2007 5:03:47 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: goldstategop
I don't excuse Vitter's conduct. There should be consequences and Louisiana voters can decide if he's failed to live up to the standards expected of a Senator. My point is that's not Larry Flynt's decision to make.

True, but it sure seems that a lot of so called good folks are making light of the word, they sure are lining up to cast the first stone, but then they don't have to answer to you are me for that.

Now I call that being a hypocrite.

26 posted on 07/11/2007 5:14:43 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: AzaleaCity5691
The last great gov of La. once said, the only way he couldn't get elected was if he was caught in bed with a dead girl, or live boy!

Now if it was mASSa chutesits he could be senator or representative!

At least DV is human and NORMAL! The Dhimis aren't gonna get any traction on this one!

27 posted on 07/11/2007 5:22:54 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (The liberty we prize is not America’s gift to the world, it is God’s gift to humanity.”GWB-03)
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To: goldstategop

Rush Limbaugh is not a part of my daily life. I can go for long periods of time without listening to him, but I must say this. He probably educates more people than the entire US Department of Education, and certainly more than the NEA.


28 posted on 07/11/2007 5:22:58 PM PDT by billhilly (My former tag line.)
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To: goldstategop

It’s being reported that Larry Flynt has the names of 20 congressmen who arepatrons of Pamela Martin’s call-girl service, and he’s going to publish.
Mind you, Flynt says it’s not the sex, it’s the hypocrisy that gets under his skin. So brace yourselves for the outing of only the congressmen who ran on the family-values platform.


29 posted on 07/11/2007 5:26:58 PM PDT by soupcon
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To: goldstategop

The unspoken premise of the left is that it is better to have no standards at all than to imperfectly follow a standard. If some people cheat the leftists take it to mean that honesty is useless.


30 posted on 07/11/2007 5:32:49 PM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: AzaleaCity5691

I read that a Fla. State Rep was arrested yesterday for solicitation of (homosexual) prostitution.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=3745189&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

At least Vitter got bagged shagging a woman.


31 posted on 07/11/2007 5:42:22 PM PDT by soupcon
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To: skinkinthegrass
and he [Flynt] doesn't believe in "the Bill of Rights" and/or Gun Control either...*crickets*.... 8D

Could you clarify? Is he a gun grabber?

32 posted on 07/11/2007 5:47:10 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: BurbankKarl

I find Miss Shanghai and the jilted journalist... Innocent! Case dismissed!


33 posted on 07/11/2007 5:54:53 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: BurbankKarl

I would not mind getting “Shaghai’ed” there. (OK, I am single. But I am not a Democrat, so maybe not a sexy as all these politicos. But I can dream.) Thanks for the first picture.


34 posted on 07/11/2007 6:14:53 PM PDT by bajabaja
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To: goldstategop

I could care less about David Vitter. I do care about dumber than a box of hammers leftists singling him out from I don’t know how many clients of this madam. How strange that they can’t find a Democrat in the bunch. Another example of the underhandedness of the Left and Democrats (two groups who are pretty much the same).


35 posted on 07/11/2007 6:25:13 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Our first responsibility is to keep the power of the Presidency out of the hands of the Clintons.)
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To: goldstategop

Rush daily insults my intelligence. He’s a paragon of moral relativism.

When you (meaning Vitter) campaign on a values platform, coauthor a federal marriage amendment banning gay marriage in the name of “protecting the sanctity of marriage,” rail against infidelity and deadbeat dads on the stump, issue press releases claiming to represent “Louisiana values, not Massachusetts values,” and then go and solicit prostitutes, you deserve to be ridiculed and derided and called out as a steaming hypocrite. I don’t care what anyone else or any other party does. It’s entirely irrelevant. How hard is it to not bang prostitutes? Seriously.

I also question this alleged double standard. Example in point: Newt’s no paragon of family values, having had an extramarital affair with a staffer, among other things. Yet he’s headlining this September’s values voters summit in Washington, put on by the Family Research Council and Focus on the Family. May I ask WHY???

I do wish Rush would shut his face sometimes. He’s embarrassing.


36 posted on 07/11/2007 6:27:30 PM PDT by RedWhitetAndBlue
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To: soupcon

I say bravo for Larry Flynt in one regard. He takes no prisoners and conservatives basically do whatever he tells them to do. You have to admire a guy who can get republican to give up a speakership with little more than a peep. You have to admire a guy who can get republicans to resign by just shaking a dirty sheet at them. You have to admire a guy who can get conservatives to hand over control of congress to the liberals because their representatives are hypocritical jerks like Vitter. Imagine a conservative that had this power over liberals.


37 posted on 07/11/2007 6:28:29 PM PDT by boop (Trunk Monkey. Is there anything he can't do?)
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To: boop

I wouldn’t purchase anything Flynt churns out, unless he releases a CD of himself singing 70’s pop ballads.
But for the most part, I agree with you.


38 posted on 07/11/2007 6:35:15 PM PDT by soupcon
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To: Vinny
It’s sad when when conservatives have to say “well the other guy was worse...”.

What I object to is hypocrisy - do as I say, not as I do. Don’t campaign as a “values” candidate when you don’t have them.

What also astounds me are the people who buy into the rhetoric. If you don’t think most Dems truly care about the poor, why do you assume Reps care about “family values”? It’s a shtick to get elected. Sheepple abound

99% of politicians are whores who’ll say whatever it takes to get elected.

39 posted on 07/11/2007 6:42:52 PM PDT by mgstarr (KZ-6090 Smith W.)
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To: goldstategop

I don't see anyone saying that Larry Flynt has decided that Vitter shouldn't be a Senator. As far as the Louisiana voters go, shouldn't they be allowed to know the truth? Flynt may not be anyone's idea of a great journalist, but what he was prepared to disclose about Vitter was the truth. Obviously Vitter's supporters don't want to hear the truth (even though this isn't the first time Vitter has been connected with prostitution).

Flynt doesn't get to vote for Louisiana Senator either way, but are you saying that he shouldn't be allowed to publish true, albeit negative, things about a Senator?

40 posted on 07/11/2007 6:57:00 PM PDT by Mr. Know It All (Term Limits: Stop us before we vote again!)
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