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Lesbian Couple Wants Access to Religious Property for Civil Union
cnsnews.com ^ | July 09, 2007 | Matt Purple

Posted on 07/09/2007 12:29:45 PM PDT by bahblahbah

A lesbian couple in New Jersey has filed a complaint against a Methodist-owned campground, claiming illegal discrimination because their request for a civil union ceremony on the property was denied.

Harriet Bernstein and Luisa Paster in March applied for use of the Ocean Grove Camp Meeting Association's Boardwalk Pavilion for their civil union ceremony, planned for September. The Methodist organization rejected their application and later told Bernstein in an email that it did not allow civil unions to be held on the pavilion.

Bernstein and Paster filed a complaint against the OGCMA in June, alleging illegal discrimination on the basis of their sexual orientation.

In their complaint, the couple requested "whatever relief is provided by law" including "compensatory damages for economic loss, humiliation, [and] mental pain." They also demanded that the pavilion be made available for their ceremony.

At a meeting of members, chief administrative officer Rev. Scott Hoffman argued that the campground had every right to prohibit civil unions. He called the pavilion a "church building" that "has always been used for worship services and gospel concerts."

The OGCMA is a Methodist organization, with a board of trustees comprising 10 pastors and 10 lay people. As such, the organization operates according to Methodist teachings, Hoffman said.

"Those who make decisions are bound to the United Methodist Book of Discipline, which states that homosexual unions cannot be performed in church buildings, whether by clergy or lay people," he said.

Hoffman also pointed out that locations not used for worship purposes - including the boardwalk and the beach - were open for civil union ceremonies.

Garden State Equality, a political action organization that represents "the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex community," asked supporters to write to the OGCMA, saying the civil unions ban was an affront to the Ocean Grove community.

"It's hard to believe this is happening in our progressive state of New Jersey," GSE says on its website.

The organization contended that the ban was illegal, saying that it "violates the New Jersey Law Against Discrimination because the property is, in fact, public ... by virtue of having been used by the public for many years."

But the Alliance Defense Fund, a Christian legal group that is representing the OGCMA in the dispute, said that forcing the pavilion to host civil unions would be unconstitutional.

Brian Raum, ADF senior legal counsel, said enforcing the complaint would intrude on the rights of the Methodists as a religious organization.

"The government shouldn't force churches to violate their own religious principles," he said. "Private, religious property owners have the right to decide what can and cannot take place on their property."

According to the New Jersey Law Against Discrimination, entities that "offer goods, services, and facilities to the general public" are prohibited from "directly or indirectly denying or withholding any accommodation, service, benefit, or privilege to an individual" on the basis of sexual orientation.

But according to the ADF, New Jersey is still subject to the First Amendment, and state statutes that limit liberties guaranteed by the Constitution must be overturned.

New Jersey is considered to be one of the most liberal states in America. Last October, the state Supreme Court gave the New Jersey legislature 180 days to provide for civil unions under the law, and the legislature has complied.

Same-sex "marriage" is still illegal in New Jersey, although it is favored by 56 percent of residents, according to a Zogby poll.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: gaystapo; homosexualagenda; newjersey; umc
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1 posted on 07/09/2007 12:29:53 PM PDT by bahblahbah
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To: bahblahbah

lets get some pics of nice looking ones please


2 posted on 07/09/2007 12:33:57 PM PDT by mandingo republican (Libs are Moloch worshipers I tell ya! - FREE HK, CUBA & IRAN - SATAN was the first liberal!)
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To: bahblahbah
Please,please,*PLEASE*.....no pictures!
3 posted on 07/09/2007 12:34:01 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative ("The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism."-Karl Marx)
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To: bahblahbah
...New Jersey Law Against Discrimination..."offer goods, services, and facilities to the general public" are prohibited from "directly or indirectly denying or withholding any accommodation, service, benefit, or privilege to an individual" on the basis of sexual orientation.

They weren't denied on the basis of "sexual orientation" they were denied because "civil unions are not allowed".........

4 posted on 07/09/2007 12:34:10 PM PDT by Red Badger (No wonder Mexico is so filthy. Everybody who does cleaning jobs is HERE!.......)
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To: bahblahbah
Someday, and event like this may result in a far more ferocious response than the homosexualists could possibly expect.
5 posted on 07/09/2007 12:34:15 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: bahblahbah
New Jersey is considered to be one of the most liberal states in America.

Mmmm...Socialist hellhole.

6 posted on 07/09/2007 12:34:43 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Sic Semper Tyrannis * U.Va. Engineering '09 * Friends Don't Let Friends Vote Democrat * Fred in 2008)
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To: mandingo republican
lets get some pics of nice looking ones please

I hate you! (only kidding,of course).

P.S.,you beat me by 4 seconds.

7 posted on 07/09/2007 12:35:53 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative ("The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism."-Karl Marx)
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To: bahblahbah
and intersex community

Thats a new one. WTF????

8 posted on 07/09/2007 12:36:52 PM PDT by beltfed308 (Rudy: When you absolutely,positively need a liberal for President.)
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To: bahblahbah
Where are all the articles regarding mosques refusal to allow these ceremonies on their property?
9 posted on 07/09/2007 12:37:17 PM PDT by gidget7 ( Vote for the Arsenal of Democracy, because America RUNS on Duncan!)
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To: bahblahbah
Never been to New Jersey so I must assume that this Pavilion is the only suitable place in the state for this "civil union ceremony" because, if it isn't, then the couple is simply using their "civil rights" to force themselves on people they know don't approve of their actions. Course, no one would seriously use their "wedding" to make a political statement like that, would they? (Do I have to add the ?)
10 posted on 07/09/2007 12:38:13 PM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: mandingo republican

Are you suggesting that we post pics of porn lesbians instead of pics of the real ones (who might look like linebackers)?


11 posted on 07/09/2007 12:39:30 PM PDT by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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To: bahblahbah

Not long until Michael Jackson wants to hold one of his ‘ceremonies’ on church proerty.


12 posted on 07/09/2007 12:42:34 PM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: bahblahbah
...civil union ceremony = STATE

...Methodist-owned campground = CHURCH

OK! Let's keep the church and state separated.

13 posted on 07/09/2007 12:42:50 PM PDT by Road Warrior ‘04 (Soon to be Fredbacker1)
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To: Redcloak

you betcha!


14 posted on 07/09/2007 12:43:47 PM PDT by mandingo republican (Libs are Moloch worshipers I tell ya! - FREE HK, CUBA & IRAN - SATAN was the first liberal!)
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To: bahblahbah
But it is private property! Sort of like saying -- no shirt, no shoes -- no service...

So if you are NOT a member in good standing in our church... you don't have the right to get married here.

I could be wrong but I don't remember anything in the US Constitution that gives anyone a right to get married anywhere they please...

Methinks this lesbian couple is deliberately looking for a fight to do two things -- make loads of money and to cram sexual orientation down the throats of established religions...

15 posted on 07/09/2007 12:44:06 PM PDT by John123 (Bill barely mentions Hillary in his memoirs... I will now light myself on fire)
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To: bahblahbah

What a stupid approach! Their lawyers must be running out of ideas.


16 posted on 07/09/2007 12:46:36 PM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: bahblahbah

Isn’t there an allyway beside a “Womyn’s Only” Club where they can commit themselves?


17 posted on 07/09/2007 12:47:53 PM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: bahblahbah

Give them an inch and they’ll take a mile. This is why you don’t give in to any form of gay unions. They don’t need them and they don’t deserve them either.


18 posted on 07/09/2007 12:49:15 PM PDT by SConservative
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To: John123

Actually, I remember a case from the 9th Circuit that said a landlord had the right not to rent to an unmarried couple based on the landlord’s freedom of religion - seems to me that same principle would apply here.


19 posted on 07/09/2007 12:49:21 PM PDT by Howard Jarvis Admirer (i)
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To: bahblahbah

First they want “civil unions” then marriage then they want to FORCE you to allow use of your property. What a gay group of people.


20 posted on 07/09/2007 12:51:03 PM PDT by hophead
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