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To: NTHockey

You should do something about that bitterness. It’s destroying you.

I know how angry you must feel, because I felt the same way for years. However, you should read what the MP says. The Mass for which general permission is being given is the old one, not a Latin translation of the new one. (The new one, lame though it be, can already be said in Latin, btw, and often is.)

Ratzinger participated in the Council, but he, like many others, thought that the renewal of the Mass that was being considered would be the generalization of things like the restoration of Gregorian chant, perhaps a dialogue mass where the people said the altar boy’s responses, and a few minor changes. He was not one of the Bugnini party and was not powerful enough to have done anything to stop Bugnini. Obviously, nobody else was, either, including Paul VI.

Enjoy this moment, try to find some place that is saying the Old Mass - or some individual priest in your diocese who offers a private Tridentine Rite mass but quietly announces it to the faithful so they can come and participate - and try to get some trust and hope back in your life. Then you can go out and do battle! Finally, after all these many years, we have some support, and I think there is many a layperson and many a priest rejoicing right now.


60 posted on 07/08/2007 6:30:35 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius

“Ratzinger participated in the Council, but he, like many others, thought that the renewal of the Mass that was being considered would be the generalization of things like the restoration of Gregorian chant, perhaps a dialogue mass where the people said the altar boy’s responses, and a few minor changes. He was not one of the Bugnini party and was not powerful enough to have done anything to stop Bugnini. Obviously, nobody else was, either, including Paul VI.”

Read the history of Vatican II. Ratzinger was decidedly a player, along with Bugnini, who he outranked. This nonsense of not being able to stop it was tried at Nuremburg. It didn’t work then and it doesn’t wash here.

The point of my posting(s) is that what Liberals did to Catholicism is the same thing they are doing to the Republic. Yet most here seem perfectly happy to roll over.


92 posted on 07/08/2007 7:24:23 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1 - Take no prisoners))
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