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I tried to warn Bush against Iraq war: Powell
The Australian ^ | July 09, 2007 | Sarah Baxter

Posted on 07/08/2007 3:55:43 PM PDT by Enchante

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To: 353FMG

The military sets the rules of engagement.

Your ignorance fits with your anti-Bush agenda, however, so if you ever fixed your ignorance, what WOULD you do?

Islamists (that’s not the correct form, exactly, but never mind) does NOT equal “Islam” or “Muslim”. It has to do with the self identified extremist who run around the world killing, killing and killing in the name of Islam.

Bush is consistent on his view of and use of those distinctive terms. Many on this site try with all their might to convince themselves and the rest of us that they mean one and the same thing.

No sale.

I’m not so stupid as to believe that the evidence shows every Muslim on earth to be out to kill me because he’s Muslim and I’m not.

Far too many ARE, and therein lies the danger.

The rest of them are scared to death, with good reason, that they too will be kidnapped, tortured, raped and beheaded and their families will, too, if they speak out against the killers.


81 posted on 07/08/2007 6:54:18 PM PDT by txrangerette (Congressman Duncan Hunter for POTUS...check him out!!)
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To: Enchante
Additional comments at:

Powell tried to talk Bush out of war

82 posted on 07/08/2007 7:02:13 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Cogadh na Sith

Powell is hard to read, so it’s nearly impossible to put this in perspective.

Abraham Lincoln, on the other hand, switched generals more often than horses. He was intent on winning and finding the right guy to accomplish that.

There was even a strategic shift to a degree with the newer emphasis being on Sherman’s march and conflagration. Eventually, it became clear that defeating the south meant Robert E. Lee himself

There was loss of face in the change of generals. The fine-tuned strategy was no real problem.

I want our goal in Iraq to be that we knock them out of the fight. No power to project power either via terrorists or conventional means.

I think the best way to do that is to align our forces on the borders with Iran and Syria and Turkey. We protect the Kurds. We let the Shi’ites and Sunnis fight it out without outside intervention.


83 posted on 07/08/2007 7:02:29 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: Cogadh na Sith
What did nitwit Powell want us to do--enforce the No-Fly-Zones in perpetuity?!

good question.

84 posted on 07/08/2007 7:08:06 PM PDT by alrea
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To: Roccus
‘twasn’t all that long ago that many here on FR were calling for a Powell/Rice ticket in ‘08.

Yep.

And many of the same people were telling us an invasion of 30 million people into our own country was not a big concern of the American people. Suggesting it just wasn't a big priority or issue.

85 posted on 07/08/2007 7:08:09 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Enchante

The REAL question here is, Did anyone try to warn Bush about hiring Powell?


86 posted on 07/08/2007 7:08:59 PM PDT by GretchenM (What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? Please meet my friend, Jesus)
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To: DevSix
dragging the ME out of the dark ages is going to be an extremely difficult and frustrating process..

Are you referring to their religion, and being fanatics about their religion? Is so, that will never happen my friend...In addition, it's not our job to do that, nor do they want us to.

They remain in the dark ages due to their religious beliefs and practices. Our sun will burn out before anyone changes that.

87 posted on 07/08/2007 7:16:15 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Enchante

And can he prove it?

Or must we just take his word on it?


88 posted on 07/08/2007 7:18:04 PM PDT by airborne (COULTER: Actually, my favorite candidate is [Rep.] Duncan Hunter [R-CA], and he is magnificent.)
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To: ken21

LOL!


89 posted on 07/08/2007 7:18:45 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Enchante

Powell is the most extreme example of affirmation action pushing incompetents up way and beyond what they are suited for that I know of.

If he had been white I doubt if he would have made Colonel.

John


90 posted on 07/08/2007 7:20:53 PM PDT by Diggity
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To: Liberty Valance

thanks.


91 posted on 07/08/2007 7:20:53 PM PDT by ken21
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To: dragnet2
Where freedoms come...the truth will follow....I believe that.

Many of your same chargers were said regarding Japan back in WWII. They were incapable of a quasi democracy, the lacked God, etc, etc. - Move ahead 40 years and they are an ally.

All of the ME doesn't need to come that far.....but it does need to be dragged out of the dark ages by one means or another. Do they all need to love us and talk about rainbows and butterflies......No. The real world is about compromise and accepting certain differences when those said differences don't become an NS threat to us.

92 posted on 07/08/2007 7:36:11 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: trisham
“Aspen Ideas Festival” by the Aspen Institute

Aspen Institute
Walter Isaacson
President & CEO

Powell was among his “friends”.

93 posted on 07/08/2007 7:37:59 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: DevSix

Nice thoughts, but won’t happen.


94 posted on 07/08/2007 7:40:03 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: DevSix
Many of your same chargers were said regarding Japan back in WWII. They were incapable of a quasi democracy, the lacked God, etc, etc. - Move ahead 40 years and they are an ally.

If we'd have destroyed Fallujah (nukes not necessary, but might make the point sooner) and every other pipsqueak Iraqi town that screwed with us, you might have a valid point about reforming Iraq in the way we did Japan.

The Japanese were a technically proficient people; even though they had faith in a screwed up Oriental religion, they still had an emerging middle class that was amenable to industrialization, as they had shown in the years leading up to WWII. The ragheads have no technology that they haven't purchased or stolen from better and brighter minds.

95 posted on 07/08/2007 7:47:26 PM PDT by hunter112 (Change will happen when very good men are forced to do very bad things.)
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To: dragnet2
It is happening on the ground in both Iraq and Stan - It just isn't being reported as such by the MSM (who are agenda driven to the point of being past pathetic).

Just as we can't deport 12 million illegals (we need to set enough strict standards that induce self-deportation). The same logic to an extent holds true in the ME...While we need to stay on the offensive with AQ and their mimics right now....We need to help create an atmosphere where the values of self-worth and freedoms can take root. From there, there will be a type of self-deportation away from radical Islam and toward the truth....

96 posted on 07/08/2007 7:47:58 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: DevSix
We need to help create an atmosphere where the values of self-worth and freedoms can take root.

I don't know where your getting this. It's simply not our job to run around this planet forcing our ways, good or bad, on other countries. Period.

Just as we don't want any other country coming in here, doing the same.

If we are directly attacked, that's a different issue altogether.

I don't buy into the U.S. being the global savior. Not for a minute.

97 posted on 07/08/2007 8:22:03 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2
I don't know where your getting this. It's simply not our job to run around this planet forcing our ways, good or bad, on other countries. Period.

When their hijacked way of life becomes a NS threat to our nation it most certainly is our job.....to either kill them all in mass....or kill the hardcore activists among them first (while looking to drag the rest of their dark aged mind civs out of such a state of mind).

Your notion of being directly attacked is silly in today's modern world. The world is far too small and far to easily mass casualty dangerous to allow the "hit us first mentality". That is pre-9-11 mindset. That era was nice while it lasted....but we have to be adults now and recognize the need for preemption.

Hell, Germany never attacked us (nor did Italy) but we most certainly went after them much harder then we did Japan after Dec 7th, 1941.

We're not trying to be a "global savior"...We are saving ourselves (the larger positive by product of that will likely be a better off world in the areas where currently we have enemies).

98 posted on 07/08/2007 8:45:36 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: Enchante
"I tried to avoid this war," Mr Powell said at the Aspen Ideas Festival in Colorado. "I took him through the consequences of going into an Arab country and becoming the occupiers."

Predictable and so like that black general in Mars Attacks!!
99 posted on 07/08/2007 8:50:52 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: ken21
powell augured well.

What have you been smoking?
100 posted on 07/08/2007 8:51:49 PM PDT by aruanan
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