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Pa. black caucus: No gun laws, no budget
Phila delphia Inquirer ^ | Jun. 28, 2007 | Amy Worden

Posted on 06/28/2007 3:16:55 PM PDT by neverdem

Angry Phila. legislators aim to hold up spending bill over crime relief.

HARRISBURG - Anger about the lack of action on gun-control bills boiled over onto the House floor yesterday, with several African American Democrats from Philadelphia vowing to hold up passage of the state budget unless their bills are considered. With the city's death toll approaching 200 this year, six members of the Pennsylvania Legislative Black Caucus made impassioned pleas for help during an unexpected two-hour discussion about gun violence and many of its root causes: drugs, joblessness and poverty.

They were not debating a bill; none of the 14 anticrime bills introduced this session has even made it out of a House committee.

Amid a busy day filled with a slew of budget bills, Rep. Jewell Williams, chairman of the Philadelphia delegation, used a parliamentary procedure known as "unanimous consent" to voice his frustration over the stalled gun-control bills.

"I am going to make it completely clear: no gun legislation, no votes for the budget," Williams said. "Philadelphia members are constantly asked to support legislation that helps other areas of the state as our pleas for help continue to fall on deaf ears.

The Democrats hold a one-seat majority in the 203-member House. The caucus, with 17 members, could block the budget.

Rep. Thomas W. Blackwell of Philadelphia told anti-gun-control rural lawmakers, who make up the majority of the House, that he had no intention of trying to restrict the rights of law-abiding citizens.

"We're not trying to control what you do in your home," he said. "We're trying to control what's going on in the streets of Philadelphia."

Several suburban Philadelphia lawmakers stood to support their urban colleagues. Rep. Mike Gerber (D., Montgomery) said gun violence has a negative effect on the region.

"These problems don't know city borders," he said. "The guns flow into Montgomery County, certainly in levels that are unacceptable."

Rep. Thaddeus Kirkland (D., Delaware), chairman of the Pennsylvania Legislative Black Caucus, which has 17 House members, invoked the words of civil rights activist Malcolm X on the House floor, saying he was prepared to advance the cause of gun control "by any means necessary."

"We are prepared to stand firm and we could hold up some things," he said. When asked whether he meant the budget, Kirkland said, "yes."

It was unclear how many other members of the caucus would support Williams and Kirkland in their threat, but House leadership recognized the power of the caucus as a voting bloc.

"Their concern is legitimate; you can't blame them for using the only tool in their toolbox," said Mike Manzo, chief of staff for House Majority Leader Bill DeWeese (D., Greene). "They wield considerable influence."

Gov. Rendell has repeatedly called for stricter gun laws, even going so far last month as to suggest that the legislature was being controlled by the National Rifle Association.

His spokesman, Chuck Ardo, said Rendell sympathizes with the Philadelphia legislators' intent and that "he himself intends to make a further push for the one-handgun-a month legislation in the fall."

But, he added, "If the governor held up the budget over every critical issue facing the commonwealth, at least the essential personnel will be here when the snow falls."

Early yesterday evening, in a surprise move, Rep. Thomas Caltagirone (D., Berks), chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, called a committee meeting to vote on Williams' bill to require the reporting of lost and stolen firearms (HB 29).

It failed by a vote of 11-17, but committee members agreed to reconsider the legislation later.

Other gun-control legislation still in the House Judiciary Committee includes a bill that would limit handgun purchases to one a month and another that would allow Philadelphia to craft its own gun laws.

One outcome of yesterday's impromptu gun-control debate is a new commission that will come up with bipartisan anticrime legislation.

House Speaker Dennis O'Brien (R., Phila.), responding to a request from members, said he would form a special commission to address crime and violence. His spokesman, Bill Patton, said the commission members would include outside experts and crime victims' groups, as well as lawmakers, who will draft legislation for consideration this fall.

For some, there's been enough talk about crime.

"Commissions are fine," said Kirkland. "But we have to move beyond that. We need action."

Contact staff writer Amy Worden at 717-783-2584 or aworden@phillynews.com.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; bang; banglist; gungrabbers; pa; pennsylvania; rtkba; secondamendment
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To: Beckwith

Over the centuries, the Christian religion has sometimes been used and manipulated by politicians, but it has a way of biting them back. Christianity can be very subversive if cynical people try to use it as a means of political control.

Let’s hope for a Great Awakening in the black Christian community. I’ve always thought that that is what blacks really need, and it’s not all that far out a possibility. All it would take is God’s will and one black John Wesley.


41 posted on 06/28/2007 7:29:54 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: neverdem

Just damn. At this rate, maybe I’ll go back and hide under my rock...


42 posted on 06/28/2007 7:30:35 PM PDT by mhking (I make my livin' on the evening news -- BTW, I won an Emmy this week!)
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To: neverdem

Another liberal reservation for those who can’t integrate into society is exposed and it didn’t even require a hurricane.


43 posted on 06/28/2007 7:34:57 PM PDT by Steamburg (If we don't want our nation bad enough to protect it, it won't be ours long.)
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To: Grut

LOL! I’ve never thought of that approach. What a great idea!


44 posted on 06/28/2007 7:35:01 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby (I was born with nothing. So far I have most of it left.)
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To: neverdem

More N-word nonsense.


45 posted on 06/28/2007 8:04:17 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Tribune7

Bring back the mob .. organized crime was way better then the drug gangs philly is dealing with today


46 posted on 06/28/2007 9:06:07 PM PDT by Mo1 ( http://www.gohunter08.com)
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To: metmom
Then instead of banning guns, they should address the root problems. Or is that too simple for them to figure out?

There is no control or leadership in Philly anymore

To address the problem .. they'd first have to look in the mirror .. because THEY let the drug gang problem go on far too long

Rizzo would never have let it get this out of hand

47 posted on 06/28/2007 9:09:48 PM PDT by Mo1 ( http://www.gohunter08.com)
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To: neverdem
"We're not trying to control what you do in your home," he said. "We're trying to control what's going on in the streets of Philadelphia."

First to see if they can get away with violating peoples rights while they walk on the streets of PA. And if they are successful in that, THEN they will try to control what we do in our homes.

48 posted on 06/28/2007 9:12:49 PM PDT by lowbridge ("The mainstream media IS the Democratic Party." - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: neverdem

A black person not wanting people to be able to defend themselves.

Dumbest thing I’ve heard in a long, long time.


49 posted on 06/28/2007 9:17:07 PM PDT by TheInvisibleMan
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To: neverdem

50 posted on 06/28/2007 9:37:18 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Cicero

You’re more optimistic than me.


51 posted on 06/29/2007 1:37:51 AM PDT by Beckwith (dhimmicrats and the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: neverdem
"...you can't blame them for using the only tool in their toolbox,"

Most of the PA politicians ARE tools. Harrisburg is one giant toolbox.

52 posted on 06/29/2007 5:21:22 AM PDT by Malacoda (A day without a pi$$ed-off muslim is like a day without sunshine.)
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To: neverdem

This is one way to insure the homicide rate in Philly keeps climbing. Make sure only the criminals have guns!! Typical PA liberal politics as usual. Rendel plays “Joe sixpack” well on TV but, he’s left of Lenin in reality. Getting ready to impose higher taxes across the board also.


53 posted on 06/29/2007 2:16:06 PM PDT by PhillyRepublican
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To: xDGx
"Let’s trade Philly to New Jersey for a future draft pick..."

No, thanks. With dumps like Camden and Paterson, we're quite happy with our fair share of $hit!

54 posted on 06/29/2007 2:45:22 PM PDT by Seamus Mc Gillicuddy (Great minds discuss ideas, medium minds discuss events, small minds discuss people.)
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To: neverdem
Really, this is just a case black-on-black violence. No, no, I don't mean the shootings in Philadelphia. I'm talking about the ganstas pushing this bill.
55 posted on 06/29/2007 4:03:11 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: neverdem

My goodness, have they learned nothing from that other pit of crime, the District of Columbia, and its stringent gun laws? (Now struck down as unconstitutional.)


56 posted on 06/29/2007 6:45:29 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: toddlintown

Can’t flame. It’s the truth.


57 posted on 06/29/2007 6:47:09 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: muawiyah
W" should act now to withdraw all American forces from Philadelphia (Army/Navy recruiters, Air National Guard jet fighters and transports at PHL,

Air Force Reserve flying units in PA are at Pittsburgh(C-130H) and Willow Grove NAS/JRB (C-130E). (northern part of metro Philly). Air Guard units are at Willow Grove(A-10s), Harrisburg (EC-130), and Pittsburgh (KC-135). Nothing at Philadelphia. Pretty sure Navy Reserve doesn't have any flying units there either. Navy and Marine Reserves also have flying units at Willow Grove, which is about 25 miles from the Philadelphia airport.

Still 25 miles might be too close, better withdraw to Harrisburg, or maybe to one of the BRACed bases in the Dakotas. :)

58 posted on 06/30/2007 9:57:21 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: spanalot
If every inner city black had a gun, it would be a lot better than it is now.

It sure would. An armed society is a polite society. But when on the lawbreakers have guns, you've got trouble on the Delaware.

59 posted on 06/30/2007 9:59:20 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

Pull back to Ohio and Ontario then. Just get out of there ~ it’s too dangerous for Americans.


60 posted on 06/30/2007 1:45:44 PM PDT by muawiyah
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