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People's Tenor Pits the Sniffles Against the Sniffs (DFU and FR Mention!)
The New York Times ^ | June 24, 2007 | DANIEL J. WAKIN

Posted on 06/24/2007 3:42:55 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod

A 36-YEAR-OLD dentally challenged cellphone salesman wins a nationally televised talent contest in Britain, and suddenly, all sorts of questions are raised about the role of classical music in our world.

That is because the winner, Paul Potts, from Wales, triumphed with a rendition of “Nessun dorma,” the tenor aria from Puccini’s “Turandot,” at a contest with the trappings and audience — seemingly — of the mass entertainment world.

By the standards of music critics who ply their trade in opera houses and concert halls, it wasn’t a particularly earth-shaking performance.

“Mr. Potts is the sort of bog-standard tenor to be found in any amateur opera company in any corner of the country,” wrote Philip Hensher in The Independent of London. “His tuning was all over the place; his voice sounded strained and uncontrolled; his phrasing was stubby and lumpy; he made a constipated approximation only of the fluid sound of the Italianate tenor....”

On the blogs, many comments seemed to reflect resentment that the “snobs” of the opera world would look down on their swoon for Mr. Potts. On freerepublic.com, a conservative forum, dougfromupland addressed “all you opera snobs.”

“He may not be the greatest opera singer. But we who don’t know dip about opera like him and can’t wait to see him perform. We know what uplifts us and makes us feel good. Go away, snobs.”

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Free Republic; News/Current Events
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To: doug from upland

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UtW9Ptcmm-8


That is soooo good! You are a genius.


81 posted on 06/24/2007 2:08:22 PM PDT by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: BlessedBeGod

I read many of the posts here on FR regarding Paul Potts and his performance. I see the NYT was very selective in how they choose to quote. The great multitude loved his performance and linked to the performance on my tube.


82 posted on 06/24/2007 2:12:26 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Why shouldn’t the NY Times need permission from FR to publish posts?
83 posted on 06/24/2007 2:15:10 PM PDT by Vision ("Blessed is the man who trusts in the Lord, whose confidence is in him." Jeremiah 17:7)
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To: doug from upland

Brilliant!


84 posted on 06/24/2007 2:21:14 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: BlessedBeGod; SittinYonder
he made a constipated approximation only of the fluid sound of the Italianate tenor....”

What the hell does that even mean?!?

85 posted on 06/24/2007 2:26:25 PM PDT by eyespysomething
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To: eyespysomething

IT means homer is a snob


86 posted on 06/24/2007 2:27:16 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife
Opera ia a lot of things, from highbrow to lowbrow. Much of it was done as entertainment for the commom man. Over the years it kind of mutated ito a high brow art form. Mozarts "The Magic Flute" and Johann Strauss's Der Fledermaus Were certainly lowbrow comedy. The equivelent of this summers film "knocked up" just a bit of light fun.

And most of Wagner, for instance, was either the equivalent in its time of a summer action epic or a melodrama. Most often elements of both. But in opera -- or at least the ones that people still listen to often -- the libretto was often farce, but there was nothing cheap about the music.

I'm not a big fan of opera as an art form -- it's stylized and wrapped in its own conventions for my taste (which is just my taste, so don't pounce on me). But I love a lot of operatic music, both instrumental and vocal. I'm a fan of a concert performance of an opera or musical -- basically, no sets, no costumes, just folks in chairs. The focus is entirely on the music.

The line between a stage musical and an opera is blurry. To me, Les Miserables is an opera -- all the dialogue is sung, none spoken, which is at least one dividing line between the two.

I think much of why opera remains unaccesable to most americans is the language barrier. one of the funniest things I ever heard was an english version of Der Fledermaus.

When you've done enough reading -- and it doesn't take an advanced degree -- to get past the period language and to catch things like cuckold references, Shakespeare's comedies are hilarious. So are Moliere's farces. All you need is a director and a dramaturg who don't feel the compulsion to treat the text reverently and stage it like a religious service.

A lot of works that have a highbrow, unapproachable reputation -- opera in particular -- have it in part because the practitioners are too much in awe of this Very Important Work to admit that it has fart jokes.

Most current entertainment in the West is really tied to verisimilitude, meant to be more realistic than stylized, and I think that's why opera doesn't branch out more, and why musicals have faded as a major movie genre. Folks don't burst into song in the middle of a battle or on their deathbed. No gang has ever defeated a rival by snapping its fingers and dancing.

But there are, of course, exceptions. In recent years, there was the aforementioned Les Miserables; Rent, which was a major stage hit and a moderate movie success, is an update of La Boheme; Baz Luhrman's "Moulin Rouge" was a stylized opera for the mash-up era; and a lot of people seem to like Andrew Lloyd Weber, which makes me cry.

87 posted on 06/24/2007 2:40:22 PM PDT by ReignOfError (`)
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To: Vision; Jim Robinson
Why shouldn’t the NY Times need permission from FR to publish posts?

Why should it?

The NYT isn't publishing posts -- it's posting a brief quote from a published source, with proper attribution. That's well understood to be within the bounds of fair use.

The conditions that some media outlets place on Free Republic, in terms of excerpt length and how to link, might be vulnerable to court challenge, and some violations of same might be within fair use, but JimRob reached the reasonable conclusion that it's not worth the time, money and effort to fight that fight.

I know Gannett newspapers have some of the stricter rules as regards Free Republic, but there's no legal or ethical reason I can't write "'We do not need the Senate immigration bill to secure the border,' Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC) writes in a Friday column for USA Today."

88 posted on 06/24/2007 2:51:55 PM PDT by ReignOfError (`)
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To: PAR35
You know they are monitoring things pretty closely when they start reading singing threads.

Or the reporter knew that FR was a reliable place to find a sharp and cogent opinion on just about any current issue, and that's where he went to take the pulse of the "blogosphere."

(I know FR is not a blog, but I still consider it part of the blogosphere, as it's a channel through which blog posts propagate and trends on the blogs gain momentum.)

89 posted on 06/24/2007 2:56:52 PM PDT by ReignOfError (`)
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To: struwwelpeter; Calpernia

Ping


90 posted on 06/24/2007 3:02:25 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (When God spoke to the world, were you listening?)
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To: ReignOfError
I'm a fan of a concert performance of an opera or musical -- basically, no sets, no costumes, just folks in chairs. The focus is entirely on the music.

Indeed I was going to reference shakespeare but you did it for me. Shakespeare is often just mesmerizing in the words alone, no sets, no costumes, just timeless themes

91 posted on 06/24/2007 3:03:00 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: ReignOfError

You are spot on in your perception of humanity


92 posted on 06/24/2007 3:05:37 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: ReignOfError
A classic film The Red Violin
93 posted on 06/24/2007 3:13:41 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: All
Amedeus
94 posted on 06/24/2007 3:25:41 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: BlessedBeGod
Gee, the New York Times reads FR.

And even mentions us without some dig -- at least the part shown.

95 posted on 06/24/2007 3:27:33 PM PDT by Tribune7 (A bleeding heart does nothing but ruin the carpet)
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To: Temple Owl

ping


96 posted on 06/24/2007 3:30:51 PM PDT by Tribune7 (A bleeding heart does nothing but ruin the carpet)
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To: Hiddigeigei

Still going on with your criticism about Paul Potts I see.


97 posted on 06/24/2007 3:31:09 PM PDT by Kaslin (Fred Thompson for President 2008)
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To: mylife

Die Fledermaus by Johann Strauß is an operetta not an opera. It used to be may father’s favorite operetta


98 posted on 06/24/2007 3:42:35 PM PDT by Kaslin (Fred Thompson for President 2008)
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To: doug from upland

Way to go, man.


99 posted on 06/24/2007 3:47:23 PM PDT by Silly (Hillary has been overheard praying to Lady Elaine Fairchilde, alcoholic puppet)
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To: Kaslin
Still, an entertaining bit of fun!

Opera can be rather dark but is still a bit of fun, like a good mystery

The Finale from Puccini's "Tosca"

100 posted on 06/24/2007 3:48:27 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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