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Report: Desalination Could Exacerbate Climate Change (Enviro BANANA nuts)
Water and Wastewater News ^ | June 22, 2007 | World Wildlife Federation

Posted on 06/22/2007 5:17:07 PM PDT by CedarDave

Making drinking water out of sea water is a growing trend, but the World Wildlife Fund (WWF) says it is a potential threat to the environment that also could exacerbate climate change.

The global review of desalination plants worldwide: "Making water: Desalination -- option or distraction for a thirsty world?" -- states that some of the driest and thirstiest places are turning to desalination. These include regions where water problems affect large, populous areas -- Australia, the Middle East, Spain, the United Kingdom and United States, with India and China following suit.

"Desalinating the sea is an expensive, energy-intensive and greenhouse-gas emitting way to get water," said Jamie Pittock, director of WWF's Global Freshwater Program. "It may have a place in the world's future freshwater supplies, but regions still have cheaper, better and complementary ways to supply water that are less risky to the environment."

It is estimated that around 60 percent of freshwater needs in the Arabian Gulf are met through desalination, and the Australian city of Perth may be looking to source one-third of its freshwater the same way, WWF states. Spain is devoting an astonishing proportion of its desalinated water to agriculture -- at 22 percent, it is the highest level in the world -- as well as to holiday resorts in arid areas.

Impacts of desalination include brine build-up, increased greenhouse-gas emissions, destruction of prized coastal areas and reduced emphasis on conservation of rivers and wetlands. Many of the areas of most intensive desalination activity also have a history of damaging natural water resources, particularly groundwater, WWF states.

Managing water demand and assessing impacts of any large-scale engineering solution are needed early in order to avert irreversible damage to nature and the cost overruns, often paid by citizens over the long haul. Sustainable sources of water start with protecting natural assets such as rivers, floodplains and wetlands. These natural systems purify and provide water as well as protect against extreme or catastrophic events.

"Large desalination plants might rapidly become 'the new dams' and obscure the importance of real conservation of rivers and wetlands," Pittock stated. "As with any relatively new engineering such as large dams that grew up in the 50s, the negatives become known when it is too late or too expensive to fix. What we need most is a new attitude to water not unchecked expansion of water engineering."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: california; climatechange; desalination; desalinationplants; drought; globalwarming; water
Beyond NIMBY: BANANA - Build Absolutely Nothing, Anywhere, Near Anyone.

Original WWF article found at: http://www.panda.org/index.cfm?uNewsID=106660

(I liked it better when WWF was the World Wrestling Federation -- at least we knew that the matches were fixed unlike this WWF, which pushes fantasy as fact.)

1 posted on 06/22/2007 5:17:09 PM PDT by CedarDave
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To: CedarDave
Save the environment,
kill an environmentalist.
2 posted on 06/22/2007 5:19:59 PM PDT by TheDon (The DemocRAT party is the party of TREASON! Overthrow the terrorist's congress!)
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To: CedarDave

The WWF does have a point about the situation in Spain. The current water resources scheme is the result of politicized regionalism forces, and is one of the craziest things you will ever read about if you study up on it.


3 posted on 06/22/2007 5:23:06 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: All

Do your part for carbon offsets...stop breathing!


4 posted on 06/22/2007 5:23:14 PM PDT by bennowens
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To: CedarDave

You wanna bet if there was a plan to build a soilent green plant that would put out 12 billion tons of toxins a year but reduce the humans on earth by 90% in 10 years their would be dancing in the streets by the environmentalists?


5 posted on 06/22/2007 5:25:21 PM PDT by Walkingfeather (u)
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To: CedarDave
“As with any relatively new engineering such as large dams that grew up in the 50s, the negatives become known when it is too late or too expensive to fix.

Just wish more eco-nuts would remember that when they talk about harnessing the wind, sun, corn, or mushrooms.
6 posted on 06/22/2007 5:26:30 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (The faithful will keep their heads down, their powder dry and hammer at the enemies flanks.)
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To: crazyhorse691
Just wish more eco-nuts would remember that when they talk about harnessing the wind, sun, corn, or mushrooms.

Or build artificial reefs from old tires to Save The Fishes And Clams and Corals and Creatures Of The Deep...

Only to find it was a stupid farce, and they are being dismantled at scandalous costs.

7 posted on 06/22/2007 5:29:21 PM PDT by Gorzaloon (Global Warming: A New Kind Of Scientology for the Rest Of Us.)
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To: CedarDave
Impacts of desalination include brine build-up

BS

First: Most US desalters are planned to be built in conjunction with waste water treatment plants. The brine, which is actually highly filtered and cleaned sea water with a higher salt content, is mixed with the discharge of treated waste water, preferably in equal amounts. This then serves to dilute the salt content to match the salt content of the ocean.

Second: The ocean salt content varies from sea to sea, but 3.5% is the generally accepted average. The returned Brine will have a salt content of 5.0 to 7.0% depending on many factors. Thus the brine being returned although higher in salt is still not as high as one is lead to believe by reading some reports.

The ability of the ocean to absorb this amount of salt is very very high.

Three: Most table salt comes from sea water, if the salt content of the ocean becomes too high (very unlikely), we could simply make more salt and create salt disposal sites (Bonneville salt flats, for example)

8 posted on 06/22/2007 5:37:52 PM PDT by Michael.SF. ("The military Mission has long since been accomplished" -- Harry Reid, April 23, 2007)
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To: Gorzaloon

Or build artificial reefs from old tires to Save The Fishes And Clams and Corals and Creatures Of The Deep...


This thread could run to 1000 replies if we posted every feel good measure the eco-nuts have implemented over the past 30 or so years.


9 posted on 06/22/2007 5:39:01 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (The faithful will keep their heads down, their powder dry and hammer at the enemies flanks.)
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To: Michael.SF.

Yes it is so much BS. The capacity of the sea to absorb this amount of salt is indeed very high. Natural salt flats exist all over the world where local increases in salinity due to evaporation do not have any adverse effect on the overall environment and localized ecosystems survive and thrive in the briny environment.

This is just another tactic by enviro-whackos who believe that anything man does is inherently bad for everything else in the world. And of course, their way of dealing with that view is to oppose all progress toward making our environment more sustainable using options less damaging than the alternatives (more dams, more pipelines, over pumping of groundwater, etc.). Their anti-human agenda is very much on display here.


10 posted on 06/22/2007 6:07:32 PM PDT by CedarDave (Farewell to a beloved FReeper - 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub, 1948-2007)
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To: CedarDave
From our global warming friends:

We want you dead so we can have the whole planet to ourselves! What part of dead do you NOT understand?

11 posted on 06/22/2007 6:12:04 PM PDT by stboz
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To: CedarDave
Impacts of desalination include brine build-up

Does the Worldwide Wrestling Federation realize just how much fresh water one would have to extract from the ocean to change the salinity by even the slightest amount?
12 posted on 06/22/2007 6:18:23 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: P-40
Does the Worldwide Wrestling Federation realize just how much fresh water one would have to extract from the ocean to change the salinity by even the slightest amount?

Reminds me of how man is changing the balance of the atmospheric CO2 level by producing [at most] minute amounts of CO2 and thus altering the entire climate. By minute I mean as a percentage of the total.

Next we will hear how all of the people that pee while swimming in the ocean are altering the ecology there.

13 posted on 06/22/2007 6:38:05 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: Michael.SF.
"The ability of the ocean to absorb this amount of salt is very very high."

The end result of desalination is zero. The purified water thus formed will eventually (actually rather quickly) return to the sea. Energy gets used up, yes--which is why it's desirable to build such plants near nuclear reactors. But the net effect on salinity of seawater is nil.

14 posted on 06/22/2007 6:40:05 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
Next we will hear how all of the people that pee while swimming in the ocean are altering the ecology there.

I guess they are offsetting the loss of salinity...but making the water icky in the process. :)
15 posted on 06/22/2007 6:41:10 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: CedarDave

First they make air into some kind of threat to the environment. Makes sense they’d target water next.


16 posted on 06/22/2007 6:45:27 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: P-40

Yeah, the ocean needs our pee to dilute all of the fish poop, too.

See how the enviroTards turn any discussion into the absurd? You just can’t talk about their opinions [faith] without degenerating in satirical absurdity.


17 posted on 06/22/2007 6:52:17 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
See how the enviroTards turn any discussion into the absurd?

They do provide some entertainment value though. I was talking with an engineer over some plans to use a solar concentrator to desalinate the water using a technique similar in concept to a pressurized water reactor at a nuclear plant...and his comment was still that the 'enviros' would hate it. :)
18 posted on 06/22/2007 7:15:44 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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