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An All-Submarine Navy(?)
OpinionEditorials ^ | 6-19-07 | Mike Burleson

Posted on 06/21/2007 7:37:25 AM PDT by SShultz460

Last week, the third in a new class of underwater battleships, the USS MICHIGAN, joined the fleet after a $1 billion face lift. The 4 converted subs of the OHIO class, former Trident missile ships, are the undersea equivalent of the reborn IOWA class from the 1980’s. Armed with over 150 Tomahawk cruise missiles, plus the ability to carry special forces and unmanned vehicles, they give the Navy an incredible ability to strike decisively from the sea.

I am of the opinion that in full-scale shooting war at sea, the US surface navy will be devastated in the first day., by the combination of cruise missiles and stealthy submarines. The survivors would all be forced into port, unable to participate in the counterattack, which would likely be initiated by our own deadly nuclear attack submarines.

What this means is, our current force of colossal and pricey warships including aircraft carriers, cruisers, destroyers, and amphibious ships are obsolete in today’s precision, push button warfare. They are also tremendously expensive to build and operate, with only the richest of earth’s superpowers able to afford them in ever declining numbers. If this wasn’t reason enough for maritime nations to reevaluate their shipbuilding priorities, there are few if any jobs the surface fleet can do which the submarine cannot. I’ll elaborate:

Command of the Sea

Submariners say there are only 2 types of ships: submarines and targets. There’s valid reasons for this. Since World War 2 anti-submarine defenses have failed to match the attack boat’s advancements in speed, stealth, and weaponry. For instance, since 1945 the average speed of destroyers have remained at 30 knots, with only nuclear vessels able to maintain this rate for any period. In contrast, the velocity of nuclear attack submarines, beginning with the launch of USS NAUTILUS in 1954, has tripled and quadrupled from around 10 knots submerged to 30-40 knots.

Also, an antisubmarine vessel must get within a few miles of an enemy sub to fire its rockets or torpedoes. Its only long-range defense, the helicopter, is slow and must linger in a vulnerable hover while its sonar buoys seek out their prey. Some Russian-built boats come equipped with anti-aircraft missiles which makes this standard ASW tactic suicidal.

In contrast, a modern submarine can launch its missiles from 75 miles away and farther. Should it choose to close the distance, as occurred when a Chinese SONG class stalked the USS KITTY HAWK last year, to fire its ship killing torpedoes, it can do so at speeds as fast as and sometimes surpassing surface warships. Whether attacking with cruise missiles or wake-homing torpedoes the attack boat remains submerged; the preeminent stealth vessel.

The sub has likely held this dominate position on the high seas, since the dawn of the first nuke ships beginning in the 1950’s. The only lacking factor has been a full-scale naval war to prove it. The single example is the sinking of the Argentine cruiser BELGRANO 25 years ago by the British submarine HMS CONQUEROR in the Falklands Conflict. Afterward, the Argentine Navy fled to port and remained there!

Commerce Raiding/Protection:

This traditional role of the submarine is one which it excelled in the last century. The difference today is, neither America nor Britain has the capability to mass produce the thousands of anti-submarine escorts which just barely defeated Germany’s U-boats in 2 world wars, even if it would matter. In the next war at sea, the submarine would bring all commerce to a halt, making a mockery of the globalized free market system. The only counter to this menace is perhaps a combination of aircraft and submarine escorts, with the latter acting as the destroyer, shepherding its convoy through the “shark” ridden waters.

Amphibious Assault

Admittedly, this is not a role in which the submarine excels at , with its sparse crew and cargo capacity. Where they do stand out is the ability to land small raiding parties, like the elite Navy SEALs, and underwater demolition teams in preparation for a full-scale assault.

Still, with the submarine maintaining command of the seas, it would allow a surface amphibious task force free reign against an enemy beachhead. Rather than requiring expensive standing amphibs, reserve vessels could be maintained on both our coasts, with a cadre crew ready for any emergency. Some could also be rapidly converted with landing strips for heloes or whatever air assets are needed. Some small and inexpensive littoral ships fitted with cannon could provide escort close to shore.

For standard peacekeeping operations, some large subs could be built or converted for troop carrying, as in the above mentioned MICHIGAN. The ex-ballistic missile warship and her three sisters can load up to 66 SEALs, or more, I imagine, in a pinch, plus their equipment.

Conclusion

If America were to suddenly lose her preeminent surface fleet of carrier groups in such a future conflict, she would still have an excellent and capable submarine force to carry the fight to the enemy. The Navy says it must build 2 boats per year to maintain 50 in commission. Perhaps a doubling or tripling of this number would be necessary to replace the surface ships in the manner I propose. A fleet of 100-150 nuke submarines would be far cheaper to maintain, but also doubtless give the USN an unmatched mastery at sea for the rest of the century.

My blog is at newwars.blogspot.com

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Mike Burleson is a regular columnist with Sea Classics magazine and an advocate of Military Reform. He resides in historic Charleston, SC. http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/honestnews/ http://newwars.blogspot.com/

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To: TalonDJ

Long-range ASW patrol aircraft are, for the most part, worthless unless a boat decides to crank up some RPMs.


101 posted on 06/21/2007 3:22:25 PM PDT by El Gran Salseron (Taxation WITH representation sucks, TOO!)
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To: El Gran Salseron

Yes, but back then the damage was impressive. Its replacement must be great.


102 posted on 06/21/2007 3:40:43 PM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: edcoil
I don't recall ever saying that. You must've been on the Pedanticfish :)
103 posted on 06/21/2007 3:54:08 PM PDT by Doohickey (Giuliani: Brokeback Republican)
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To: llevrok
Subs are part of that group.

In theory, yes. In practice, things work a bit differently.

104 posted on 06/21/2007 3:59:59 PM PDT by Doohickey (Giuliani: Brokeback Republican)
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To: JackRyanCIA
LOL

I was thinking much the same thing, actually.

105 posted on 06/21/2007 4:04:48 PM PDT by Doohickey (Giuliani: Brokeback Republican)
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To: OCCASparky

LOL! Men on boomers? Whodathunkit?


106 posted on 06/21/2007 4:07:02 PM PDT by Doohickey (Giuliani: Brokeback Republican)
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To: edcoil
subroc

Thankfully, that particular suicide weapon went the way of steam-powered torpedoes and the Mk 117 FCS.

107 posted on 06/21/2007 4:10:58 PM PDT by Doohickey (Giuliani: Brokeback Republican)
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To: SShultz460
"I am of the opinion that in full-scale shooting war at sea, the US surface navy will be devastated in the first day., by the combination of cruise missiles and stealthy submarines. The survivors would all be forced into port, unable to participate in the counterattack, which would likely be initiated by our own deadly nuclear attack submarines."

No navy in the world could devastate the US Navy in the first day of battle - not even the Rooskies. i also think some 688 drivers would have a thing or two to say about who got close to their protected asset.

108 posted on 06/21/2007 4:12:05 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ ("Courage is when you are scared to death, saddle up and ride out anyway." John F'in Wayne.)
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To: edcoil

There was no replacement for SUBROC. SeaLance was fooled around with for awhile, but nothing ever came of it.


109 posted on 06/21/2007 4:19:02 PM PDT by Doohickey (Giuliani: Brokeback Republican)
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To: Doohickey

Gurnard, ssn-662


110 posted on 06/21/2007 9:30:47 PM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: edcoil
Surface ships do have a lot of defense on them however, one subroc would ruin a convoy’s day.

A Small Nuke makes a whole fleet vulnerable. In any all out dust up with China all our surface fleet will be destroyed in one fell swoop. They have publicly said as much by the way.

111 posted on 06/22/2007 7:09:31 AM PDT by itsahoot (The GOP did nothing about immigration, immigration did something about the GOP (As Predicted))
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To: taxcontrol
Then a real war came along....

No, not a real war, a feel good, limited war was launched. Every limited action since Korea has been a disaster.

Think Faluja, then think Patton, or MacArthur, or Churchill.

112 posted on 06/22/2007 7:15:33 AM PDT by itsahoot (The GOP did nothing about immigration, immigration did something about the GOP (As Predicted))
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To: itsahoot

An individual’s perception of the “reality” of a war is directly proportional to their likely hood of getting killed or injured.


113 posted on 06/22/2007 7:38:21 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: null and void
As long as there's a man in the White House..

If there was a man in the White House, this stupid police action in Iraq would have been over in a few days. War is Hell. Putting men in vulnerable vehicles to be potshot by a bunch of nutso's is not a war. Having a King's line in any war is stoopid. Korea, Vietnam, being the worst examples. Had Truman not wimped out to the State Department, we would not have a China problem today, same with Russia, if we had let Patton and Churchill do what they knew to be right, The Commie State Department that FDR had installed were protecting their friends. Macarthy was correct.

114 posted on 06/22/2007 7:42:07 AM PDT by itsahoot (The GOP did nothing about immigration, immigration did something about the GOP (As Predicted))
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To: itsahoot

True. Very true.

(But it was intended as a Hillary!™ bi-itch slap)


115 posted on 06/22/2007 8:02:51 AM PDT by null and void (Tired of living in the shadows? Move to Sunny Mexico!)
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To: Mariner
The price of sinking a carrier is unlimited nuclear war.

Source?

116 posted on 06/25/2007 11:14:16 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: GATOR NAVY

ping


117 posted on 06/25/2007 11:22:26 PM PDT by bkwells (Liberals=Hypocrites)
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To: SShultz460
A submarine the size of an aircraft carrier would be something.. A virtual mobile naval base.. With attack subs as escorts and a few f22's and helos..
118 posted on 06/25/2007 11:27:52 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: Rembrandt_fan; LS
Actually, strategic bombing was the determiner.

1. It tied down resources that would have allowed Nazi Germany to hold the Russians off. Freeper LS presents an analysis in his book America's Victories that shows the Battle of Kursk would almost certainly have gone to the Germans if they had been able to devote their Reich Defense resources to the Eastern Front. Note that about 1 million men served in the Luftwaffe's anti-aircraft gun units alone. What difference could a million troops have made on the steppes of Russia, or in Normandy in the Summer of '44? In a sense, there were two fronts in Europe years before D-Day, and the Western Front was in the skies above the Reich.

2. Damage to Germany's production capability was often far underestimated because German efforts to increase production made up for the damage. In his last book, The Bomber War Robin Neillands backs that up, and notes that in the early years of the war, when England and America were already running their factories around the clock, Germans were still working one ten hour shift. As the bombing offensive destoyed production capability, they went to round the clock and brought in slave labor.

3. The P-51 destroyed the Luftwaffe. Most importantly, it brought them to a point where they had plenty of planes, but their pilots were dying so quickly that replacements got little or no training. No strategic bombing, no P-51. No P-51, no deep excursions into Germany, leaving the Luftwaffe able to provide tactical support on the Western Front after D-Day, or (as previously mentioned) in the East where it would have made all the difference.

Now, that said, the idea that the bomber could bring a nation to its knees on its own was not feasible...but the bomber did win the war in Europe, just as surely as the ASW forces did.

119 posted on 06/25/2007 11:32:02 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: SShultz460

a passion of mine to get on a sub..........I’ve single handed a 33 hans christian ketch from Ca to Hawaii and back
but a ride on a sub would be a dream fullfilled


120 posted on 06/25/2007 11:36:56 PM PDT by advertising guy (If computer skills named us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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