Posted on 06/18/2007 8:38:12 PM PDT by Delacon
Well, they have to come home, sooner or later........... : )
After this fiasco, I’m thinking later than sooner!
We have a vat of tar, and chicken feathers waiting for Kyl.
Flaw No. 1: Sen. Sessions pointed to perhaps the biggest flaw by noting that the “ ‘enforcement trigger’ fails to require the U.S. VISIT system – the biometric border check-in/check-out system established by Congress in 1996, but never implemented – to be fully functioning before new worker or amnesty programs begin. Without the system in place, the U.S. has no method of ensuring that workers and their families do not overstay their visas.”
Flaw No. 2: While most Americans tell pollsters they want less immigration, this bill dramatically increases overall immigration. It TRIPLES chain migration through the year 2016 – all the while sanctioning a mass importation of low-skill foreign workers and, by extension, a mass importation of poverty into this country.
Flaw No. 3: Illegal aliens get “legal status before enforcement” begins;
Flaw No. 4: The “triggers” require “no more agents, beds, or fencing than current law” mandates;
Flaw No. 5: The completion of background checks, including checks against criminal and terrorist databases, is “not required for” the granting of amnesty (in this bill, it is referred to as “probationary status”);
Flaw No. 6: Criminals of all kinds – including gang members, some child molesters, and absconders (i.e., “aliens who have already had their day in court [and who are now] subject to…removal” [covering “more than 636,000 fugitives”]) are eligible for the bill’s mass amnesty;
Flaw No. 7: “Illegal aliens with terrorism connections are not barred from getting amnesty. An illegal alien seeking most immigration benefits must merely show ‘good moral character.’”
Flaw No. 8: Illegal aliens granted amnesty or guestworkers imported via the new “Y” “temporary worker” program can claim the Earned Income Tax Credit, which “will cost taxpayers billions in just 10 years”;
Flaw No. 9: “Affidavits from friends” are acceptable as evidence of satisfying requirements for amnesty, thus “invit[ing] fraud and more illegal immigration”;
Flaw No. 10: “In-state tuition and other higher education benefits…will be made available to current illegal aliens that are granted [amnesty], even if the same instate tuition rates are not offered to all U.S. citizens,” a violation of current Federal law, which “mandates that educational institutions give citizens the same postsecondary education benefits they offer to illegal aliens”;
Flaw No. 11: New visas are created for individuals who are prone to overstaying their period of authorized admission – namely, the new “parent” visa, which allows parents of citizens, and the spouses and children of new temporary workers, to visit a worker in the United States. Not only is this term “a misnomer, but also an invitation for high rates of visa overstays” because it “specifically allows the spouse and children of new temporary workers who intend to abandon their residence in a foreign country, to qualify to come to the U.S. to ‘visit.’” To obtain the visa, one must only post a $1,000 bond, “which will be forfeited when, not if, family members of new temporary workers decide to overstay their 30 day visit. Workers should travel to their home countries to visit their families, not the other way around”;
Flaw No. 12: To be granted amnesty, illegal aliens need not pay back income taxes;
Flaw No. 13: Social Security credits for work done while in the United States illegally will be granted to “[a]liens who came to the U.S. on legal visas, but overstayed their visas and have been working in the U.S. for years, as well as illegal aliens who apply for Z visa status but do not qualify”; and
Flaw No. 14: “The criminal fines an illegal alien is required to pay to receive amnesty are less than the bill’s criminal fines for paperwork violations committed by U.S. citizens, and can be paid by installment,” which means that “the fine for illegally entering, using false documents to work, [is] one-tenth the fine for a paperwork violation committed by a government official.”
Please don’t get me wrong. For one, I’m the one who started this thread based on an article that is anti amnesty, and anti the senate bill. I am not excusing the President. I think what he is doing is wrong, wrong, wrong. I just think the President’s intentions are good. This is the same opinion as Hannity, Limbaugh and many other pundits have of the President regarding this bill. I do think that the President has allied himself with others whose intentions are way more nefarious. Those that want the bill to pad the democrats ranks. Those business interests that want to stop any enforcement legislation at the state level by granting amnesty to the illegals and those elites who don’t care if this bill makes the country go to hell in a handbasket just so longs as their hedges get trimmed. I’ll go on to say that where I think the President has crossed the line is in ignoring his base yet again. He might have tried to fly this bill and having seen the reaction from his base, quickly backed away. But no, he is still pushing it. For this, he should roundly be denounced.
Point taken. My apologies.
That email list you made is great. Thank you.
Treason--the sellout of the United States as a sovereign nation.
No use pretending it's anything else.
Facts are stubborn things not to be ignored by the hyperbole of various parties. Neoconservatives and Paleoconservatives both play the victim and race cards.
I wish I could tell you that I think you’re wrong. Well, we all have our priorities. It would be nice if our ‘leaders’ didn’t lie to us about theirs.
It's not just fundraising.
"Redundant" and "inefficient" are the words for everything connected to DC.
Thanks. If you post it then please send me a ping so I can read the replies. I haven’t posted an article but just replied to posts so far.
You do great work here.
Here is another list that has most of the returned emails of the top senate staffers removed:
Andrew_wilder@kyl.senate.gov, Angie_Lundberg@Chambliss.Senate.gov, Isaac_edwards@murkowski.senate.gov, Jackie_cottrell@roberts.senate.gov, Jennifer_lowe@coleman.senate.gov, Jennifer_olson@lgraham.senate.gov, Jennifer_swenson@roberts.senate.gov, Jordan_stark@hagel.senate.gov, Katie_norman@dole.senate.gov, Kenneth_flanz@crapo.senate.gov, Kevin_kelley@collins.senate.gov, Lindsay_mabry@chambliss.senate.gov, Margaret_mcphillips@cochran.senate.gov, Marybeth_carozza@collins.senate.gov, Natasha_hickman@burr.senate.gov, Ramona_mcgee@judiciary.senate.gov, Shellie_bressler@lugar.senate.gov, Stephen_higgins@judiciary.senate.gov, Wesley_denton@demint.senate.gov, aaron_saunders@stevens.senate.gov
al_garesche@dole.senate.gov, alan_hanson@sessions.senate.gov, alicia_peterson-clark@burr.senate.gov, alicia_peterson-petersonclark@burr.senate.gov, alicia_petersonclark@burr.senate.gov, aloysius_hogan@inhofe.senate.gov, andrea_jones@mccain.senate.gov, andrew_wilder@kyl.senate.gov, andy_fisher@lugar.senate.gov, angela_stewart@warner.senate.gov, angie_lundberg@Chambliss.Senate.gov, ann_begeman@mccain.senate.gov, ann_loomis@warner.senate.gov, anne_caldwell@shelby.senate.gov, annelaurie_waters@chambliss.senate.gov, barbara_riley@sununu.senate.gov, beth_pellett_levine@grassley.senate.gov, beth_stewart@gsmith.senate.gov, beto_cardenas@hutchison.senate.gov, bill_castle@hatch.senate.gov
billy_piper@mcconnell.senate.gov, blake_brickman@bunning.senate.gov, bret_bernhardt@demint.senate.gov, bret_boyles@lott.senate.gov, brian_hart@brownback.senate.gov, brian_klippenstein@bond.senate.gov, brian_robertson@brownback.senate.gov, brian_walsh@cornyn.senate.gov, brooke_roberts@craig.senate.gov, charles_campbell@sessions.senate.gov, charles_cogar@allard.senate.gov, charlie_harmon@chambliss.senate.gov, chip_roy@judiciary.senate.gov, chris_campbell@hatch.senate.gov, chris_gallegos@domenici.senate.gov, chris_geeslin@lugar.senate.gov, chris_paul@mccain.senate.gov, chris_paulitz@voinovich.senate.gov, chris_yianilos@warner.senate.gov, christopher_gahan@gregg.senate.gov
cindy_hayden@sessions.senate.gov, conrad_schatte@warner.senate.gov, courtney_boone@stevens.senate.gov, coy_knobel@enzi.senate.gov, dan_knezevic@gsmith.senate.gov, dan_whiting@craig.senate.gov, danielle_holland@murkowski.senate.gov, david_morgenstern@alexander.senate.gov, david_schwietert@thune.senate.gov, david_snepp@snowe.senate.gov, david_young@grassley.senate.gov, don_stewart@cornyn.senate.gov, don_tatro@ensign.senate.gov, donna_murray@murkowski.senate.gov, donnell@lugar.senate.gov, doug_dziak@voinovich.senate.gov, edward_hild@domenici.senate.gov, eileen_mcmenamin@mccain.senate.gov, elissa_davidson@collins.senate.gov, elizabeth_maier@kyl.senate.gov
elly_pickett@enzi.senate.gov, emily_christensen@bennett.senate.gov, emily_mathis@sessions.senate.gov, erin_rath@gregg.senate.gov, flip_mcconnaughey@enzi.senate.gov, geoff_embler@hutchison.senate.gov, george_callas@voinovich.senate.gov, george_lowe@stevens.senate.gov, ginny_worrest@snowe.senate.gov, glee_smith@isakson.senate.gov, glen_chambers@brownback.senate.gov, glenn_powell@inhofe.senate.gov, greg_gross@dole.senate.gov, heath_garrett@isakson.senate.gov, hugh_gamble@lott.senate.gov, isaac_edwards@murkowski.senate.gov, jace_johnson@hatch.senate.gov, jack_finn@ensign.senate.gov, jackie_cottrell@roberts.senate.gov, jake_ward@snowe.senate.gov
james_christoferson@hutchison.senate.gov, jamie_loftus@hutchison.senate.gov, jane_alonso@collins.senate.gov, jen_burita@collins.senate.gov, jen_olson@lgraham.senate.gov, jennifer_lowe@coleman.senate.gov, jennifer_olson@lgraham.senate.gov, jennifer_swenson@roberts.senate.gov, jenny_manley@cochran.senate.gov, jessica_ferguson@thune.senate.gov, jill_kozney@grassley.senate.gov, jim_sartucci@lott.senate.gov, joan_kirchner@isakson.senate.gov, joe_donoghue@mccain.senate.gov, joe_matal@judiciary.senate.gov, joel_digrado@vitter.senate.gov, joel_maiola@gregg.senate.gov, john_bonsell@inhofe.senate.gov, john_drogin@cornyn.senate, john_easton@gsmith.senate.gov
john_little@martinez.senate.gov, john_lopez@ensign.senate.gov, john_rankin@brownback.senate.gov, john_richter@snowe.senate.gov, john_ullyot@warner.senate.gov, jordan_stark@hagel.senate.gov, julie_adams@mcconnell.senate.gov, kara_smith@bond.senate.gov, karina_waller@stevens.senate.gov, katie_boyd@shelby.senate.gov, katie_norman@dole.senate.gov, ken_lundberg@martinez.senate.gov, kenneth_flanz@crapo.senate.gov, kevin_bishop@lgraham.senate.gov, kevin_kelley@collins.senate.gov, kim_dean@bunning.senate.gov, kolan_davis@grassley.senate.gov, kristin_pugh@murkowski.senate.gov, kyle_downey@thune.senate.gov, kyle_ruckert@vitter.senate.gov
laura_caudell@burr.senate.gov, laura_condeluci@allard.senate.gov, laura_friedel@shelby.senate.gov, laura_lefler@corker.senate.gov, lee_dunn@mccain.senate.gov, lee_pitts@alexander.senate.gov, leroy_coleman@coleman.senate.gov, llee_pitts@alexander.senate.gov, lori_prater@gsmith.senate.gov, lorianne_moss@coleman.senate.gov, louann_linehan@hagel.senate.gov, lucia_lebens@coleman.senate.gov, lucy_murfitt@kyl.senate.gov, m_zabel@thune.senate.gov, mac_abrams@vitter.senate.gov, marc_short@hutchison.senate.gov, margaret_mcphillips@cochran.senate.gov, margaret_wicker@cochran.senate.gov, mark_morrison@bennett.senate.gov, mark_williams@burr.senate.gov
marty_morris@lugar.senate.gov, marybeth_carozza@collins.senate.gov, maryjane_collipriest@bennett.senate.gov, matt_hoskins@demint.senate.gov, matthew_acock@hutchison.senate.gov, matthew_johnson@judiciary.senate.gov, matthew_zabel@thune.senate.gov, michael_brumas@sessions.senate.gov, michael_quiello@isakson.senate.gov, michael_zehr@martinez.senate.gov, mike_buttry@hagel.senate.gov, mike_reynard@bunning.senate.gov, mike_seyfert@roberts.senate.gov, mike_ware@craig.senate.gov, mitch_waldman@lott.senate.gov, molly_mueller@roberts.senate.gov, monty_philpot@chambliss.senate.gov, nancy_perkins@gregg.senate.gov, natasha_hickman@burr.senate.gov, nick_simpson@lott.senate.gov
pam_thiessen@ensign.senate.gov, patricia_knight@hatch.senate.gov, paul_collins@sununu.senate.gov, paul_kong@hagel.senate.gov, paul_palagyi@corker.senate.gov, pete_fischer@crapo.senate.gov, peter_carr@hatch.senate.gov, peter_fischer@crapo.senate.gov, peter_olson@cornyn.senate.gov, phil_park@voinovich.senate.gov, ramona_mcgee@judiciary.senate.gov, randi_reid@enzi.senate.gov, ray_krncevic@snowe.senate.gov, rc_hammond@gsmith.senate.gov, reilly@sununu.senate.gov, richard_fontaine@mccain.senate.gov, richard_perry@lgraham.senate.gov, rick_dearborn@sessions.senate.gov, rielly@sununu.senate.gov, rob_epplin@gsmith.senate.gov
robert_steurer@mcconnell.senate.gov, russ_thomasson@cornyn.senate.gov, ryan_meyers@dole.senate.gov, ryan_thompson@inhofe.senate.gov, sarah_little@roberts.senate.gov, scot_montrey@alexander.senate.gov, scott_hoeflich@specter.senate.gov, scott_raab@mcconnell.senate.gov, sean_conway@allard.senate.gov, seema_singh@judiciary.senate.gov, seema_singh@specter.senate.gov, shana_marchio@bond.senate.gov, shellie_bressler@lugar.senate.gov, staci_lancaster@crapo.senate.gov, stephen_higgins@judiciary.senate.gov, steve_abbott@collins.senate.gov, steve_bell@domenici.senate.gov, steve_taylor@hagel.senate.gov, steve_wymer@allard.senate.gov, steven_wackowski@stevens.senate.gov
susan_irby@lott.senate.gov, susan_wheeler@crapo.senate.gov, ta_hawks@cochran.senate.gov, tara_shaw@domenici.senate.gov, thomas_dower@specter.senate.gov, tim_glazewski@kyl.senate.gov, todd_womack@corker.senate.gov, tom_ingram@alexander.senate.gov, tom_steward@coleman.senate.gov, tom_stewart@coleman.senate.gov, tonya_newman@vitter.senate.gov, tory_mazzola@ensign.senate.gov, travis_jones@craig.senate.gov, wendy_fleming@vitter.senate.gov, wendy_gnehm@enzi.senate.gov, wes_hickman@lgraham.senate.gov, wesley_denton@demint.senate.gov
bwhahahaha a 1997 study by the National Academy of Sciences found virtually ZEEEERO NET benefit to the U.S. economy from immigration?
ZEEERO?
as a card carryin lib/dem what do i say to this...?
i say POPPYCOCK.....
THEN
i say BALDERDASH
after which
KUMBAYA
what about the chillren NJ ?
What about the chillren?
the chillern i tell you....
plus aks not for whom the bells toll
BWhahahahahaah
i know none of this makes sense....
but hell as a lib silliness is my
stock in trade. nuttin matters except how i FEEEEEL
and right now im in a KUMBAYA state of mind ya know.
so ALL im sayin to you is ......keep on a payin them taxes.....
and anti iN nup....already
me and mine?
we like riddin in the wagon while youse guys PULL....the wagon
so in that sense we’r actually pullin for ya..
also...we aint gettin OUT anytime soon thats for sure
and might i add
KUMBAYA
SARC
Alas, today they have more than just a couple of powerful lobbyists.
A thinking lib would say “so what’s it matter then if it makes no difference”
“Alas, today they have more than just a couple of powerful lobbyists.”
And a president and more than a few powerful republican senators. It is to weep.
“Alas, today they have more than just a couple of powerful lobbyists.”
And a president and more than a few powerful republican senators. It is to weep.
My voice:
It's time to END immigration for a while. End ALL of it, the legal as well as the illegal.
It's time to close up America - yes, CLOSE IT UP - and let those that are here legally assimilate.
It's time to IDENTIFY those who are here illegally, and DENY them the benefits that native-born and legally-naturalized American citizens are entitled to. If this means that millions on our soil will suffer, so be it. If they hurt, perhaps they'll consider going back to where they came from.
It's time to secure the borders, with a wall - not a "fence", but something more formidable. If that provokes Mexico, so be it. Just what do they intend to DO about it?
If that makes me a "racist", I will wear that moniker with pride. I just don't care what folks call me any more.
- John
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