Posted on 06/11/2007 2:09:09 PM PDT by Alter Kaker
“It seems as if many ex-Freepers who are genuine scientists and those who support immigration reform have both been driven from FR.
I suppose it’s another demonstration that all civilizations eventually fall to the hands of unthinking superstitious mobs. America truly is in decline.”
CRY ME A RIVER...puuuhlease.....
My real name is Michael P...you are why I couldn’t get that screen name.
I have two retired race hounds as pets.
Less than 1/3 of americans believe that evolution is fact. To win elections, if this issue is important, to understand that evolution is fantasy is a decided advantage.
This article will be useful to understand why Republicans are MORE MAINSTREAM in this issue than we give them credit for :
I mean the poll, recently reported by USA Today, that shows that 66% of Americans think that the statement, “Creationism, that is, the idea that God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years” is definitely or probably true.
This is wonderful poll question for people who believe that Uncle Sam’s alter ego is Santa Claus. I wonder how much public money Darwin lobbies in high science will screw out of US taxpayers in order to try to change their minds - with about as much success as they have had in the past - zilch.
As I pointed out in By Design or by Chance?, the human history that most people would recognize is certainly less than 10,000 years old. Ur of the Chaldees, the city Abraham left in order to wander in the desert, is about 6500 years old. The Great Pyramid is only about 4500 years old. Apart from wordless outliers like the Willendorf Venus and the Cave of Lascaux, we have only the empty speculations of “evolutionary psychology” for the vast stretches of time before then. So real history is relatively recent.
And that is a significant fact. Something happened to human beings relatively recently (less than ten thousand years ago) that did not happen to lemurs, toads, or ants. And it is a mark of the enormously heavy investment that the American materialist elite has made in materialism that it is at such pains to try to convince everyone else of its peculiar delusion that nothing really happened.
To see what is at stake here, consider the following three propositions:
1. Five million years ago, your ancestors were lemur-like creatures screaming in the trees.
2. You are about 60% water.
3. Your DNA is 98% identical to that of a chimpanzee.
All sensible humans who are not materialists will respond to any one of these propositions, “So?”
Now, any one of them may happen not to be true. For example, because I am a woman, I am more likely to be about 50% water (because fat binds less water than muscle does, and women store proportionately more fat).
But either way, half of me is the same stuff as Lake Ontario. But what does that mean? It means you can replicate that half by pouring yourself a glass of water. So that’s the half you don’t need to bother about.
Similarly, the fact that our ancestors may have screamed in the trees millions of years ago is actually of vastly less significance than the events of the last ten thousand years. Just as the similarities of our DNA with that of chimpanzees mainly tells you that most of what you need to know about a human being is not in the DNA.
The real reason that most Americans simply don’t go along with elite opinion about the origin of human beings is that they are relatively freer than other peoples to dissent from their elite, and they know - as any sensible person who thinks about the matter must know - that the materialist view of human beings is nonsense. And they rightly reject everything connected with it.
Something did happen less than ten thousand years ago that forever separated us from Lake Ontario and from whatever screams in the trees. And I think the solid 66% on the poll question are trying to say that, even though they are forced to fund the propagandists of the elite through their taxes.
I agree with you. I believe that evolution is the mechanics of intelligent design just as Darwin believed. I also believe that bringing this debate into party politics is suicide for the Republican party.
Many Americans fear the growth of an American Theocracy and this silliness reinforces those fears.
Also, I have noticed that your tin horn only squeeks out this one note. What is it that is so existentially threatening to you about people who believe that your great X 20 grandpappy wasn't the monkey you know him to have been?
Question for you. About 97% of all the water on the planet is salt water. If it rained enough to flood the entire surface of the planet to a depth of tens of thousands of feet then all that salt water mixed with the fresh water and polluted it. So what did Noah drink once all the water receded?
Dude, majority of human beings alive today don’t believe this crap, as they don’t believe that there is no difference between men and women and that pederasty (what you politically corrected folks like to call ‘gaiety’) is perfectly normal, so there!
Some people (not me!) wish to think God created by evolution, that Genesis need not be taken literally (e.g. post #100), that macroevolution occurred with God’s guidance.
Good one.
Name one.
>>So, to paraphrase Doyle, when you rule out the impossible, whatever is left, no matter how improbable, must be true.<<
It is an equal error to rule something out when one doesn’t understand it. Time after time science has advanced and explained things that were thought to be beyond human comprehension.
They clearly are mutually exclusive, unlessyou want to disregard what creationism is all about.
Ok, I'll go along with that as long as those scientific classroom teachers and materials fully inform students evolution is only a theory developed by some in the scientific community.
No true there are many “credible” scientists whom dispute the theory of macroevolution: biologists and chemists on the issues of DNA and cellular formation (that it is 1 too complex, to shows intelligence), and other scientists even geologists whom recognize that there has been proof of species in fossils appears in rock that they shouldn’t according to the geologic clock. Don’tput out false information that these creation scientists don’t rely upon empirical evidence (its the same ad-hominim attack) that many darwinists rely upon rather than substantive Argument..!
You should change your name to godlessSteve_Seattle.
The poll questions presented them as mutually exclusive.
Which is idiotic.
I don't see why you expect it to, given that it doesn't even attempt to address this question.
Or life from non-life?
Same answer as above. The theory of evolution doesn't address the question of how life arrose. It only deals with the question of how life changes over time.
What is nonsense is the fairy tale that a single cell (which no one knows how it could come about), has 'evolved' into a human being.
Why is it nonsense? All human beings start their existence as single cells. That's true of you too.
And you can add any amount of zero's to the millions of years you want, it is utter nonsense.
Please go study some geology. It just doesn't work that way.
So, to paraphrase Doyle, when you rule out the impossible, whatever is left, no matter how improbable, must be true.
Okay, so what's your point?
Evolution is a fairy tale for adults who want to believe that they will not face their Creator at a Judgment seat (Rev.20)
It's only a fairy tale to those who willfully ignore the evidence.
BTW, you still haven't offered a single argument to back up your original statement:
Either God is impossible or Evolution is.
I'm waiting.
Oh, Gerald Ford how we need you so now!
Macroevolution is not synonymous with science--something a lot of Macroevolutionists still don't seem to get. (An apple is a fruit, but it isn't synonymous with fruit).
In this case, Macroevolution is pseudoscience. (A rock isn't fruit).
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