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Bush says immigration bill will survive
AP on Yahoo ^ | June 11 2007 | JENNIFER LOVEN

Posted on 06/11/2007 7:20:30 AM PDT by VictoryGal

SOFIA, Bulgaria - President Bush, turning from adulation in the Balkans to difficulties back home, said Monday that his stalled immigration overhaul would be revived and his embattled attorney general would not fall under a Senate vote of no-confidence. ADVERTISEMENT

"I'll see you at the bill signing," Bush said confidently about an immigration bill that has run into deep trouble on Capitol Hill.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; elpresidentebushy; illegal; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigrantlist; popularinalbania; vampirebill
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To: traditional1
2) NEW legislation to ELIMINATE ANCHOR-BABY scam. (No foreign National parent IN THE U.S. gets automatic citizenship for their offspring while in this country)

This issue will not be decided until a clear interpretation of the 14th Amendment has been codified by the United States Supreme Court.

But bear in mind that the Court cannot just issue opinions "out of the air". There must be cases before it upon which it will rule.

I think the Court could be forced into doing so. Here's how:

This will require the cooperation of sympathetic civic officials in one or more states (hopefully 3 in separate U.S. Federal Districts) who are absolutely willing to go to the mat on the issue and who will not lose their resolve as the case progresses through the court system. (As an aside, the Court might choose to ignore a "test case" from a single district, but would probably not be able to do so if cases sprung up from multiple districts.)

Here's how such test cases would be ignited:

I am _presuming_ that for births, birth certificates are issued by the city, municipality, or other governmental authority that has jurisdiction over the location where a birth occurs. Since big-city governments are "illegal friendly", I would think the test cases would have to be ignited from rural areas or small cities that are having problems with illegals.

What must be done is, when a birth occurs to someone who is apparently illegal, authorities must question her. If she admits to being illegal, they must issue a birth certificate that specifically states that the newborn shall not be considered an American citizen. The certificate should clearly state something to the effect of, say, "non-citizen birth on American soil".

Of course, the issuance of a "non-citizen birth certificate" will be immediately challanged by civil rights groups, perhaps even by government officials on higher levels. This is to be expected.

The local officials must stand their ground, for - of course - they will be brought to court. And thus, the case (hopefully, multiple cases) will be generated, and progress through the system.

We will almost certainly lose at the trial level, but again, this is to be expected, and welcomed, for we WANT the issue to be appealed "upward".

And we must keep the heat up as the case progresses through the courts. With each loss, we must keep pushing it higher, and eventually, it will reach the high court.

I would not be foolish enough to speculate on how the Court would rule. But it has ruled in previous instances that _some_ babies born on American soil are NOT citizens (i.e., births to foreign diplomats).

I think we have a fighting chance to win. Even if we lose, it will clarify the issue once and for all, and perhaps the loss, combined with increasing anger about the illegal flood from native Americans will force Congress to consider a Constitutional Amendment to correct the 14th Amendment.

I have yet to see posted by ANYone a solution on how to correct the wrongly-interpreted 14th Amendment. I believe that the course I have outlined above - the ad-hoc issuance of "non-citizen" birth certificates, and the Court test that would follow - could do just that. (Remember, you read it here first!)

- John

222 posted on 06/11/2007 9:21:35 AM PDT by Fishrrman
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To: VictoryGal
Bush says immigration bill will survive.

Even if it doesn’t - it is clear that bush puts the interests of foreign invaders over the interests of Americans.

Unacceptable

It must be demoralizing for our troops to know this while they’re risking their lives to secure iraq’s border........

223 posted on 06/11/2007 9:22:43 AM PDT by WhiteGuy (GOP Congress - 16,000 earmarks costing US $50 billion in 2006 - PAUL2008)
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To: Tenniel2
Four words: President Gore. President Kerry. We voted our consciences and got shafted. Won't happen again.

This will happen over and over again as long as freepers just keep voting for the republican because they don't want the democrat to win.

They all know all they have to do is say "you don't want the democrat to win do you?" and all the sheep will fall into line.

224 posted on 06/11/2007 9:26:13 AM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: Guenevere

That’s what gets me!

These folks ILLEGALLY entered the United States and won’t face ANY penalties! Not even as much as a parking ticket, fer cryin out loud!!

Meanwhile, decent Americans get to fill out forms up the wazoo, have radar cops aiming the gun at them, have cameras at intersections to make sure we don’t try anything unholy or something! Its madness!

We truly have been turned into sheep!


225 posted on 06/11/2007 9:27:22 AM PDT by djf (Bush's legacy: Way more worried about Iraqs borders than our own!!! A once great nation... sad...)
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To: wastedyears

We, his base, got hijm elected twice; we have done our job and he has no more use for us.


226 posted on 06/11/2007 9:29:00 AM PDT by twonie (Keep your guns - and stockpile ammo.)
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To: JeffAtlanta

“This will happen over and over again as long as freepers just keep voting for the republican because they don’t want the democrat to win.”
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RE-ELECT NO ONE ! ! !


227 posted on 06/11/2007 9:31:36 AM PDT by cowdog77 (" Are there any brave men left in Washington, or are they all cowards?")
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To: VictoryGal
"I'll see you at the bill signing,"

UNBELIEVABLE!!!

228 posted on 06/11/2007 9:34:05 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: SeekWisdom
Who else is serously thinking about moving back to Europe?

Classic America is disappearing.

Apparently the Bush's are planning on living in Paraguay and abandoning the shit hole they are making of the USA. I wonder if someone reminded the President he only gets secret service protection for 10 years after he retires. I for one don't care to pay to protect him should he become a resident of another country.

229 posted on 06/11/2007 9:35:25 AM PDT by rolling_stone (sOME)
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To: cuky


230 posted on 06/11/2007 9:37:18 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: null and void
Don't you realize that HE DOESN'T CARE? It's not like he's running for re-election, or anything...

Unfortunately, you are correct. He does run the risk of getting his butt impeached though. The Dems still despise him and this bill isn't going to change anything with them.

What it will change is the support that the house republicans will give him.

231 posted on 06/11/2007 9:37:59 AM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: SeekWisdom

Maybe I should pull a switch-a-roo. When they come here, I’ll go there. Except for the fact that would be illegal in some places.


232 posted on 06/11/2007 9:38:15 AM PDT by Loyolas Mattman
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To: VictoryGal

NO SIR! Please, Mr. President, drop this piece of rubbish!


233 posted on 06/11/2007 9:38:23 AM PDT by Princip. Conservative
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To: TomGuy
“They owe somebody something, because they are willing to put their political careers on the line for this bill.”

...and how!

I really wonder who are the King Makers?

This whole debacle is proof that there truly are small groups trying to tinker with our democracy.

234 posted on 06/11/2007 9:39:06 AM PDT by mr_hammer (Show me just what liberalism brought that was new, and there you will find things evil & inhuman)
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To: JeffAtlanta

The media, et al. have manipulated the public into focusing on the “labels” rather than substance.

I swear that some of the less-astute of us root for political parties as if they were sports teams. An election is like their Super Bowl.


235 posted on 06/11/2007 9:40:54 AM PDT by Loyolas Mattman
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To: VictoryGal

We’re in the middle of a new civil war but we’re not allowed to fight? The age of reason has been replaced by proxy politicians lining their pockets and living behind guarded gates. It’s time to build that wall around the DC beltway and turn off their water and electricity. Voting only encourages the bastards.


237 posted on 06/11/2007 9:44:20 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: VictoryGal
"I'll see you at the amnesty bill signing," Bush said confidently

It's almost as if this was the soul purpose of his presidency.

238 posted on 06/11/2007 9:45:05 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: djf

To the elite, you are nothing more than a commodity. Your usefulness begins and ends with the extent you contribute to their bottom line.


239 posted on 06/11/2007 9:46:12 AM PDT by Loyolas Mattman
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To: Liberty Valance

Can there be any doubt that America is being weakened from within?


240 posted on 06/11/2007 9:48:11 AM PDT by Loyolas Mattman
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