FReep This Poll - Should churches be able to offer sanctuary to illegal immigrants?

North County Times/The Californian ^ | June 9, 2007 | North County Times/The Californian

[DogByte6RER]

Should churches be able to offer sanctuary to illegal immigrants?

Yes

No

Don't know

[DogByte6RER]

Link over to the North County Times/The Californian homepage. Scroll down a bit and look for the poll on the right hand side. Vote for choice.

[DogByte6RER]

Related news article:

“Long Beach church offers sanctuary to undocumented mother”

Link over to:
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2007/06/09/news/state/17_43_286_9_07.txt

[Tzimisce]

I’m sorry, leftists tell me to separate church and state. So no.

[DogByte6RER]

Oh yeah...

This poll should remain open until Sunday evening at approximately 8:00 pm PDT.

[dogbrain]

no.

[SteveMcKing]

Sure, they did it for child molesters. Why not for other criminals?

[DogByte6RER]

Long Beach church offers sanctuary to undocumented mother

By: North County Times wire services -

LONG BEACH - A woman married to a U.S. citizen, but facing imminent deportation because she lacks legal residency status, has been told by a Long Beach church she can have sanctuary there, it was reported Saturday.

The woman, from Ventura, is the parent of three young United States citizens but barred from legal residency or citizenship herself, the Long Beach Press-Telegram reported.

The woman would only give her first name, Liliana. She told the newspaper she is permanently ineligible for citizenship or residency and has been ordered deported because she had posed as a U.S. citizen to gain entrance to this country.

That conviction came 10 years ago, when she was trying to join her parents in California. Jobless, they had immigrated from Michoacan. Since that time, the woman says she and her husband have both paid their taxes and worked multiple jobs simultaneously to provide for their children.

Church leaders say they are entitled to offer sanctuary from immigration agents under an ancient tradition of allowing churches to shelter people.

Liliana and her baby are living inside St. Luke’s Epsicopal Church in Long Beach, where the associate rector said they are welcome for at least three months. “We went in knowing we were committing to something serious,” said Julia Wakelee-Lynch, quoted in the Press-Telegram.

A similar sanctuary movement spread across U.S. churches in the early 1980s, and resulted in several clergymembers being jailed. That movement ended when President Ronald Reagan signed an immigrants amnesty bill in 1986.

A spokesman for the “New Sanctuary Movement” said there are at least 600,000 families in the United States facing breakup because of the large number of families with at least one member violating immigration laws.

[BGHater]

Already a Crime.

Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii)

“Any person who . . . encourages or induces an illegal alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each illegal alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.”

Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):

A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he:

* assists an illegal alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or
* encourages that illegal alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or
* knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.

[Publius6961]

FReep This Poll - Should churches be able to offer sanctuary to illegal immigrants?

Not only no, but Hell NO!

I feel so strongly about this that I would support the penalty of loss of tax-exempt status to any church that does this.

If I wanted to live in a society where the church is not only a co-government, but has the arrogance to ignore or override the laws of the secular government, I would move to Iran...

[Politicalmom]

I vote we deluge the IRS with complaints about this church.

[DogByte6RER]

Report an Abusive Transaction Involving an Exempt Organization

IRS
EO Classification
MC 4910DAL
1100 Commerce Street
Dallas, TX 75242

More info at: http://www.irs.gov/charities/article/0,,id=128722,00.html

[Politicalmom]

THANKS!!

I will call on Monday. I am planning to continue to harass my treasonous congressweasels on a regular basis. Might as well add some other people to the list.

:)

[DogByte6RER]

More here...

Charities, Churches, and Educational Organizations - Political Campaign Intervention

Link to: http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=155030,00.html

[2ndDivisionVet]

Just say NO to Amnesty!! Keep calling!! It’s NOT OVER!!

U.S. Senate switchboard: (202) 224-3121

U.S. House switchboard: (202) 225-3121

White House comments: (202) 456-1111

Find your House Rep.: http://www.house.gov/writerep

Find your US Senators: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

[Politicalmom]

Oh, I believe this is the Church information.

I am simply SHOCKED.(Not really.) I found it on a “Gay Friendly Churches” website.

*Sigh*

St. Luke’s Episcopal Church
525 E 7th St, Long Beach, CA
(562) 436-4047 Map

[Peter Libra]

A possible solution to this problem, which has been re- enacted in Canada also, is accountability. If the church has it's way, then it might be a simple matter to have them put up a bond. It seems that in so many cases and this includes lawyers and activists, that they triumph over the established laws.

So far so good. What is seemingly not realized by the general public, is that once released into any society, the Church/activists then lean back and smile.

If there is any negative result and it is a bad choice, the ordinary citizen who comes into close proximity with any problem, has to deal with it. This includes any burden on the already over taxed citizen.

Have the church guarantee THEY will stand accountable for THOSE persons. If they will not, then they are hypocrites

[SoCalPol]

Voted.
Sanctuary, that would be a big No

[Publius6961]

Freepers are great. The activists (usually supported by government funds) force the hard-working taxpayer to bear the entire burden of bad ideas, usually forever, and the time it takes to find the proper government department, bureau or service to file an effective protest or complaint.

Government-funded "translators" is the most hateful form of this burden.

It enables the illegal involuntary confiscation of our taxes more than anything else, in the name of "charity" and "compassion", which is neither when coerced.

Thank you for those names and addresses!

[yankeedame]

Should churches be able to offer sanctuary to illegal immigrants?

A lot of people (well, a lot of non-Freepers) don't know this was more or less the same reason for the battle between (Saint) Thomas Becket and Henry II: The Church had declared that a church was place of refuge from civil authorities. The bad guys took full advantage of this. Small armies of them would lounge around there by day. At night they would head out in to the general population, do whatever bad guys do, and then come dawn it was back to the church. Once inside they knew the authorities couldn't touch them -- the Church would see to that.

This policy wasn't making the Church very popular, with government officials or the general population. Henry II was determined to end the Church-as-sancuary (a.k.a. secular trumps religious). An equally determined Archbishop Thomas Becket, declared Church lands, building, courts, etc. were inviolable (a.k.a. religious trumps secular).

And the rest, as they say, was history....

Though in all honesty, the more I know of the circumstances the more I side w/ the king. Lol! As if after 600+ years it matters.

[230FMJ]

Freeped.