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Bush's Attack on Amnesty Opponents
Townhall ^ | 5/31/07 | Chuck Muth

Posted on 06/01/2007 4:34:31 AM PDT by Marathoner

When it comes to dealing with the illegal immigration issue, President Bush and his administration are their own worst enemies. On other issues, the president is sugar and spice when it comes to Democrat opponents. But when it comes to rule-of-law conservative opposition to his “amnesty” proposal, the preferred method of operation is akin to thwacking the hornet’s nest with a stick.

You may recall that when the Minutemen first brought this issue to major public attention a few years ago with their volunteer border patrols, President Bush called them “vigilantes.” And it’s been pretty much all downhill from there, leading to his big May 29 speech on the current immigration reform proposal at the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center (FLETC) in Georgia.

The president began his remarks by introducing two Hispanic members of his administration, Secretary of Commerce Carlos Gutierrez and former Cabinet member Mel Martinez, now a U.S. Senator from Florida. Both were born in Cuba. “I want to mention those two men because, to me, they represent what the immigration debate is all about,” the president said.

So right out of the chute the president misrepresents the issue. I don’t believe Gutierrez and Martinez are illegal immigrants. They and/or their families immigrated here legally. And it appears both came here to escape the oppression of the Castro regime, not to simply get a higher-paying job. So Gutierrez and Martinez are NOT what this immigration debate is about. The issue is over those who break the law to get here.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: amnesty; bush; deathofthegop; illegalimmigration; immigrationbacklash; noamnestyforillegals; thebestdefense
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To: AIM-54

“Poor Tony Snow.

He must really be second guessing why he took the job.”

I like Tony, too. But he was dead wrong on this issue when he had his talk show. I’m sure his voiced opinions on illegal immigration were part of the reason he was selected for that slot.

I doubt that he’s having any stress at all about supporting Bush on this. Show was on the same page from day one.


81 posted on 06/02/2007 8:41:56 PM PDT by RavenATB
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To: Marathoner
"So right out of the chute the president misrepresents the issue."

I agree.

82 posted on 06/02/2007 8:50:25 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: AIM-54
Poor Tony Snow.

He must really be second guessing why he took the job.


He took a substantial pay-cut for this position.
And he hasn't resigned as Dubya has decided to start flinging mud
on anybody that doesn't fall into lock-step and support
"comprehensive immigration reform".

Tony Snow surely does seem to be a nice guy.
And I wish him well health-wise.

But his acta et verba (actions and words) has shown
he's a true believer along with Dubya, Teddy, McCain and all the
other illegal immigrant supporters.
83 posted on 06/02/2007 8:52:45 PM PDT by VOA
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To: FredHunter08

Can’t take the truth.Too bad! it is true. race card, maybe but then again the truth does hurt now doesn’t it?


84 posted on 06/03/2007 7:53:47 AM PDT by betsyross1776 (i)
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To: FredHunter08
Does pretty good to me Oreily has a pretty fair and balamced show. He will even tell you the people who watch his show are the most intelligent and most knowledgeable then any other show on tv. He is right, other then Rush who is just as good and thinks before he talks Oreily is the best on tv. What degree did you want him to get, there is no immigration degree although people like Pat Buchanan think they have one? I trust oreily rather then ol Pat who probably believes in blood tests for the pure white before you come here.
85 posted on 06/03/2007 7:59:22 AM PDT by betsyross1776 (i)
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To: Otaku6

Wrongo.I lived near TMI . the cows were infected and had to be killed . A lot of people developed cancer. the kind of long term cancer takes time to develop but is there. I saw the entire state panic and changes made to certain nuclear plants because of TMI. Nuclear accicents, hello back in 1963 the sub thresser went down and the country paniced because of the nuclear reactor on board.Coal energy , tell that to the enviro s who hate coal tec. My own father died from a coal related lung disease. So I can speak about coal. You probably never heard of Brililyosis ( hard word to spell) that killed half my town in the early days of mining for coal.


86 posted on 06/03/2007 8:17:59 AM PDT by betsyross1776 (i)
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To: Otaku6

Wrongo.I lived near TMI . the cows were infected and had to be killed . A lot of people developed cancer. the kind of long term cancer takes time to develop but is there. I saw the entire state panic and changes made to certain nuclear plants because of TMI. Nuclear accicents, hello back in 1963 the sub thresser went down and the country paniced because of the nuclear reactor on board.Coal energy , tell that to the enviro s who hate coal tec. My own father died from a coal related lung disease. So I can speak about coal. You probably never heard of Brililyosis ( hard word to spell) that killed half my town in the early days of mining for coal.


87 posted on 06/03/2007 8:18:02 AM PDT by betsyross1776 (i)
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To: betsyross1776; FredHunter08

FredHunter nails it, for some reason you are playing the race card. You claim Coulter and Sheehan look down on you because they only like whites and that I do not like eastern europeans - Aren’t eastern europeans like Poles and Czechs white? Where have I said that I dislike eastern Europeans? Have you taken your meds today?

You have failed to logically respond to the arguments presented and instead attacked the columnists discussed (like Coulter) and the posters who responded to you.

I repeat, if you feel immigrants should be allowed to enter to create a better life for themselves with the result that they destroy the quality of life for Americans, post your name and address. Hundreds of illegals would have a better life (but not you) by moving en masse into your house and getting a free place to stay. A better life for illegals is what you want, right? Then post your name and address - time for you to practice what you preach.


89 posted on 06/03/2007 9:03:33 AM PDT by Howard Jarvis Admirer (Howard Jarvis, the foe of the tax collector and friend of the California homeowner)
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To: betsyross1776

“Can’t take the truth.Too bad! it is true. race card, maybe but then again the truth does hurt now doesn’t it?”

Why do you hate the United States of America?


90 posted on 06/03/2007 10:17:27 AM PDT by FredHunter08 (Boycott Illegal-Alien-Pandering Lowes!)
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To: betsyross1776
” He will even tell you the people who watch his show are the most intelligent and most knowledgeable then any other show on tv. “

It’s called “marketing”, lady.

91 posted on 06/03/2007 10:18:30 AM PDT by FredHunter08 (Boycott Illegal-Alien-Pandering Lowes!)
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To: blam
Eh. He is lame already, wait your freaking turn.
92 posted on 06/03/2007 10:18:53 AM PDT by JasonC
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To: betsyross1776

The thresher reactor never melted down, so how is panicing an actual nuclear incident rather than a media scare. That is what the entire global warming scare is about what could happen if things go wrong.

On the side of coal, are you saying that since your father (May he rest in peace) died of black lung you don’t support switching coal plants to nuclear? I’m sorry they died but the fact is that it is old tech yet 50% of america is powered by coal power plants. Strategically speaking nuclear power production is safer, has more gross output, cheaper and stable. Not to mention you no longer need 100,000 tons of coal being flung around on our railways when they can be hauling more freight.

The french have over 80% of their power production coming from nuclear power plants, they have been lucky and have the same standards we have yet their hasn’t been an incident. Regardless western nuclear power plants if there is an accident the safety protocols minimize the hazard to a greater degree than the nightmarish outcome of Cherynobol.


93 posted on 06/03/2007 11:09:19 AM PDT by Otaku6
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To: betsyross1776
“I do not hate the United States. read what is on the Statue of Liberty.”

A platitude written by a Frenchman does not constitute US policy.

“Hello, that does not say a bunch of Anne Coulter ,pat Buchanan , kkk country club types who have decided to make it the country club for people in white hoods only”

“KKK country club types”? More heated rhetoric from the left. Why do you desire to import 100 million new Democrats and make mockery of the rule of law?

Your posts are barely coherent. Perhaps you should work on that today.

“Like I said today is Sunday soak the hood in clorox , it gets whiter with each bleaching. matter of fact I have an idea, since Eastern Europeans like my self are so disliked and unwelcome in your country club society.”

I’m part Czech myself and quite a bit of Irish. Some of my ancestors came over on the land bridge with Siberia. None were particularly “country club” types.

“Try your hero Ron Regan. yes fellow Reganites your hero made this mess.”

Reagan signed an amnesty with the understanding that there would be strict enforcement after it.

“Bush is yoo good a president to let it go past him.”

Bush is intending to repeat past mistakes, only it’ll be bigger this time.

“Conservative yea right!How you all act RACE CARD! We are good everybody who does not pure white blood in them is not,right Coulter fan!”

Says the despicable liberal.

95 posted on 06/03/2007 11:44:25 AM PDT by FredHunter08 (Boycott Illegal-Alien-Pandering Lowes!)
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To: FredHunter08
No it is called being honest. Laura Ingram and Buchannan both had shows and oooooooooooooooopppppppppppppps no ratings on tv. Hum, kind of makes you think ,maybe nobody likes them. When I see Ann Coulter at next book signing I shall stand in line and thank her for making me fight for what my relatives fought so hard for in all the wars in this country. 4 Purple hearts, 1 congressional medal of honor and of course many others who have flags on their graves . They would roll over if I did not stand and fight for this country and what THEY fought for. Keep pushing me around I know how to push back. Oh one more thing, one of my relatives, a purple heart winner even fought under your hero General Patton 3rd army, but he was one of those dumb hunks that helped save the country from pure whites who sent others to the gas chambers.I have the proof I have the info ,Also how many of your relatives are buried in France got one there also. But then again another dumb Pollock, you keep firing at me .My relatives earned me my right to an opinion. Proud born American, who believes what America stands for. No welfare in the family either ,so don’t even go there. When my family , my relatives and my war heros, who are still alive ,wanted anything ,we got it the hard way we earned it. It is called American work.But one more question what war did you serve in . Viet Nam vet’s wife here and damm proud of that man also. WW1 to the Gulf war to this war I earned my right to come in here and post. How many wars in your family? You want the proof. I will be glad to give you the names and the websites you can find their records on even my own 1st cousin on the Viet Nam wall. Mp now in the green zone in Iraq. So I hate America, man an awful lot of my family fought for a country they believed in not the one you want. GOD BLESS PRESIDENT BUSH!If I sound rude , I don’t care and am I proud you bet I am they died for America , freedom and the right for me and my Eastern Europeans to be here, most of the so called reps who are so patriotic were not even there including Hannity and your so called better groups. I will match my families record with anybody in here. You want my name to harass me don’t go there ,Better and more intelligent people then you tried.
96 posted on 06/03/2007 11:54:34 AM PDT by betsyross1776 (i)
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To: FredHunter08

Oh now the French are no good also. Gee I wonder if Washington thought that about the French fleet when they stoped General Cornwallis from leaving Yorktown before he surrendered to Washington. I think the French for all theior faults have a place in American history also. But then again only King George and his rule would do for you.


97 posted on 06/03/2007 11:57:12 AM PDT by betsyross1776 (i)
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To: FredHunter08

Oh now the French are no good also. Gee I wonder if Washington thought that about the French fleet when they stoped General Cornwallis from leaving Yorktown before he surrendered to Washington. I think the French for all theior faults have a place in American history also. But then again only King George and his rule would do for you.


98 posted on 06/03/2007 11:57:21 AM PDT by betsyross1776 (i)
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To: FredHunter08

Oh now the French are no good also. Gee I wonder if Washington thought that about the French fleet when they stoped General Cornwallis from leaving Yorktown before he surrendered to Washington. I think the French for all theior faults have a place in American history also. But then again only King George and his rule would do for you.


99 posted on 06/03/2007 11:57:38 AM PDT by betsyross1776 (i)
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To: FredHunter08

Oh now the French are no good also. Gee I wonder if Washington thought that about the French fleet when they stoped General Cornwallis from leaving Yorktown before he surrendered to Washington. I think the French for all theior faults have a place in American history also. But then again only King George and his rule would do for you.


100 posted on 06/03/2007 11:57:38 AM PDT by betsyross1776 (i)
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