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Bush is the Ring Leader of Plot to Grant Amnesty
American Chronicle ^ | May 26, 2007 | Tony Dolz

Posted on 05/27/2007 12:51:45 AM PDT by Politicalmom

On Monday, May 21 st the acrid air of a back room plot to deliver amnesty for up to 20 million illegal aliens on the eleventh hour leaked out the “Grand Bargain” nest at the Whitehouse and into the Senate Gallery for an unveiling followed by a rushed vote. Neither the dismaying secretiveness nor the slight-of-hand haste with which it was presented was designed to allow the majority of Senators to know the hidden elements of the amnesty bill much less to give the American public a chance to weigh in with opinions. The plotters, lead by Republicans Senator John Kyle, John McCain, Lindsey Graham and Saxby Chamblis, speaking to the body of the Senate vowed to muzzle amendments that would dilute the main trust of the bill: (1) to offer amnesty to 20 million illegal aliens and having accomplished that, (2) to increase the number of cheap foreign workers with increased legal immigration and guest worker schemes. These goals are designed to benefit transnational and domestic employers of illegal aliens some of whom stand out as generous political contributors to seemingly outstanding Senators.

On Tuesday the plotters blocked an amendment offered by North Dakota Democrat Sen. Byron Dorgan, Democrat of North Dakota who is a friend of the American worker and organized labor. Sen. Dorgan’s amendment would have removed 600,000 annual guest workers that the labor unions shout depress wages. The labor union’s concerns are well documented by research by Harvard University world renowned economist George Borjas and from U.S. Labor Department statistics that show that, for example, cheap foreign workers depressed the salaries of meat packers from approximately $19 per hour in the 1980’s to about $9 today. The labor unions rebuke South Carolina Republican Senator Lindsey Graham (up for re-election in November of 2008), who insists millions of cheap guest workers will not depress the wages of union members. Senator Graham holds the disingenuous view that the amnesty bill (SB 1348) does not threaten the American worker because the employer lobbyists (Essential Workers Coalition and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce) promise that the same (low) wage will be offered to all applicants in an over-saturated labor market. This is rather unrealistic because it would require the government to monitor compliance by the employers of 145 million workers. The unions point out, to the apparently naïve Sen. Graham, that monitoring 145 million workers is impossible and besides that there are so many loop holes on how job openings will be advertised that fudging with the system is a given. On the Hannity and Colmes TV program on Tuesday, May 22, 2007, Sen. Graham brushed off the union’s concerns. The labor unions pledge to continue fighting guest worker schemes and Senator Lindsey Graham and his co-conspirators. For an eye opening report from the United States Government Accountability Office (GOA is a Congressional agency entrusted with bipartisan economic impact studies) go to this link: http://www.dolz.com/gao.html

This report illustrates the impossibility of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) ever catching up with all the corruption and the backlog of immigration cases which currently are running about 7 years behind with the current case load. Just imagine if DHS had to keep track of millions more cases and keeping the employers of 145 million workers honest?

I had the opportunity to visit many Senator offices beginning on Monday May 21 st in order to poll them on calls their offices received regarding opposition to the amnesty bill. I was able to confirm what has been reported in the Washington Post and the Washington Times. The phones are overwhelming the senator’s staffs. Senator Diane Feinstein conceded that in three days her office had received 8000 callers urging a no vote on amnesty bill SB 1348. That works out to about one call about every three waking minutes. This level of grassroots opposition should have a chilling effect on those Senators who are facing re-election in 2008 and who are being forcefully tugged by the employers of illegal aliens and their lobbyist; the Essential Workers Alliance and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, to vote for the amnesty bill.

The polls have been very consistent for a year or more: Mr. Bush is abysmally unpopular and sadly the voters trust Congress and the core group of Senators behind the secret negotiations even less.

Almost to a Senator, all agree that Senator Ted Kennedy’s inspired 1986 Comprehensive Immigration Bill has made it highly unlikely that the current amnesty bill gain traction. Why? Because the 1986 immigration made three promises of which it only kept one – Amnesty.

The 1986 immigration bill (1) gave amnesty to 3 million illegal aliens (to “permanently” end illegal immigration); and (2) promised that our border would thereafter be secured and (3) that employers of illegal aliens would be severely prosecuted. The result was predictable: The government gave amnesty to 3 million law-breaking aliens but it neither secured the border nor enforced employer sanctions.

In order to pass with popular support the 2007 Amnesty Bill would require that the people trust that the senate will not lie nor sell their votes as many suspect they did on the 1986 amnesty bill.

On the basis of TRUST in GOVERNMENT alone, this 2007 amnesty bill does not have a prayer of a chance to fool the American people. Do Americans trust the government?

The Ring Leader of the secret maneuvers in the Senate (the Grand Bargain) is the free-fall unpopular strongman George W. Bush. Mr. Bush’s war-time ruling style is increasingly characterized by arrogance and arbitrariness in dealing with domestic issues.

The secret negotiations’ tyrannical tale-tale signs include (1) restricting details of the plan on a “need-to-know” basis, (2) demanding an immediate vote in the Senate without a fair opportunity to read and analyze the bill and (3) chocking amendments that threaten the “Grand Bargain”, such as the rejection of Senator’s Byron Dorgan’s amendment to scrap the guest worker scheme. These bruising tactics are best reserved for dealing with the enemy in war entanglements.

The highest law enforcement official in the land, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, has taken an oath to abide by the Constitution of the United States and enforce the law. The most critical responsibility of Alberto Gonzales, especially since the terror attack of 9/11, is to protect our borders. Several MILLION illegal aliens have entered our country illegally since Attorney General Alberto Gonzales took his oath of office in February of 2005. Any number of those clandestine illegal border crossers could or are terrorists according to a House Committee on Homeland Security, see the report here: (http://www.house.gov/mccaul/pdf/Investigaions-Border-Report.pdf)

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) reports that “Other than Mexicans” (OTMs) known to originate from countries that harbor terrorist has steadily increased (see the numbers below). The chilling fact is that Alberto Gonzales has released these thousands of dangerous illegal aliens on their own recognizance – a sign of madness or worse a sign of how our government yields to the transnational and domestic illegal alien employers that today employ 1 in 5 workers in America! As you can expect, these illegal aliens benefiting from the government’s “catch and release” policy are fugitives at large and there are over 150,000 of them.

1. 30,147 OTMS apprehended in FY2003, 44,614 in FY2004, 165,178 in FY2005 and 108,025 in FY2006. The implication of double, triple or up to nine times the number who slipped through.

2. DHS has reported a 41% increase in apprehensions of Special Interest Aliens (aliens from countries such as Iran, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Pakistan, Cuba, Brazil, Ecuador, China, Russia, Yemen, Albania, Yugoslavia and Afghanistan)

While we slept last night approximately 5000 violated our southern border as they did the night before and the night before that. Mr. Bush has complicated Attorney General Alberto Gonzales job by giving Gonzales two competing responsibilities; one as a law enforcer and another as a lobbyist for the Mr. Bush’s failed border security policy.

Michael Chertoff is the Secretary of Homeland Security. Chertoff controls a budget of $44.6 billion and has 185,500 tax-paid employees at this disposal to secure our borders. Mr. Chertoff has also been given two jobs by Mr. Bush. Chertoff is increasingly playing a public relations role to justify Mr. Bush’s open-borders, pro-amnesty, pro-guest worker schemes. This put Mr. Chertoff in the difficult position of both managing the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and at the same time given a role in putting a spin on why our borders have been surrendered to the control of drug cartels; traffickers in drugs, arms and humans. Why? In order to maintain the low level enforcement needed to keep a steady supply of cheap and docile illegal alien workers flowing to the meat packers, the carpet manufacturers, the hospitality industry, the restaurant owners associations, the construction industry and many other profiteers.

The secret negotiations for an amnesty bill excluded every senator except the handful that brokered the deal for the Whitehouse over a four months period. Essentially Mr. Bush kicked off his amnesty offensive immediately following the defeat of SB 2611, the amnesty bill that was defeated in 2006. Mr. Bush’s self concept does not allow him to accept the immense unpopularity of amnesty for foreigners who have jumped over the fence to get in front of the line – aliens who commit identity and tax fraud every day of their unlawful stay in the United States.

Whereas the small number of senators that were allowed in the secret negotiations game were few and some of them jumped off temporarily because they were facing election and the wrath of the voters, Alberto Gonzales and Michael Chertoff held fast and loyal to their boss, the strongman Mr. Bush.

By employing Gonzales and Chertoff as lobbyist for his amnesty plan, Mr. Bush has demolished the credibility of the two lawmen and added to the growing suspicion that Mr. Bush likes to surround himself with cheerfully agreeable appointees and to stonewall opposition to his unpopular projects.

A number of Federal Attorneys have recently felt the knive in the back for being less than cheerfully agreeable to the political demands of their jobs. All of them except the notorious Federal Attorney Johnny Sutton a long time acquaintance and the hammer that intimidates border patrol agents (i.e. Compean, Ramos) who are selected for prosecution by the Mexican government.

For five years we have waited for Mr. Bush to implement the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission and secure our borders. He has failed to do so or perhaps more accurately, he has refused to do so. When citizens have pointed out his failures he has called them vigilantes. When the House and Senate passed a bill authorizing the building of a 700 mile fence along the border, he signed the bill which made it the law of the land and yet he has refused to build the fence. Mr. Bush will not give up. When the House of Representatives refused to consider the Senate’s 2006 amnesty bill, he launched the plot and lead the choreography of a new amnesty bill from the Oval Office without losing a step.

I am a Cuban-born Hispanic legal immigrant and my wife is also a foreign-born immigrant. Many of our business associates and friends are legal immigrants. We have friends who dream of completing their legal admission to the United States as law-abiding immigrants. As true immigrants and law abiding people we DO NOT need amnesty or guest worker programs; only scofflaws and foreigners committing identity theft and identity and tax fraud need amnesty. Mr. Bush’s scheme granting the privilege to live and work in the United States indefinitely, whether with a path to citizenship or not is a slap on the face of true immigrants.

THE REPUBLICAN PARTY RANK AND FILE is mad as hell with Amnestistas.

According to reports from the Washington Times and the Washington Post the amnesty bill is dividing the Republican Party. Saturday, May 19 th, at GOP conventions the delegates booed Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Senator Saxby Chambliss of Georgia for their roles in plotting the amnesty bill.

A Number of Other Patriotic and labor Representatives Chime in Against Amnesty

The 2.7 million members of the American Legion, America’s oldest and largest veteran’s group went on record as opposing the amnesty bill. The American Federation of Labor has come out on record as opposing the guest worker provision of the amnesty bill. The 11,000 member National Border Patrol Council, representing the men and women who risk their lives to protect our borders and our lives have passed a resolution of NO CONFIDENCE against their political boss, Chief David Aguilar (who works for Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and Michael Chertoff, Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security who in turn work for Mr. Bush.

The opposition to the amnesty bill is big and furious and it is being felt from many quarters representing a diversity of interests and opinions.

Mr. Bush will not listen. He would rather go down in flames that change his mind. We need a plan. This is what I suggest. For the next two weeks, keep faxing, calling and visiting the Senator’s offices. Calling is the most important. Since the Republican National Committee (RNC) rubber stamp’s Mr. Bush’s wishes (and the President wishes Amnesty), it is imperative that you contribute generously to your favorite border security ONLY candidate; while at the same time DENY the Republican National Committee any contributions whatsoever. Some Republicans that feel betrayed beyond repair have suggested changing party affiliation to Independent. This last suggestion has its risks; you will have to be the judge.

Senator Ted Kennedy strategy for keeping the dead 2006 Amnesty Bill afloat in 2007 will sink the Republican Party in the treacherous political waters of the 2008 election. Deep divisions over immigration and bobbing support for the Iraq war punched the air out of Republican Party’s hope to survive the 2006 election with control of the House and the Senate. Jumping on Kennedy’s boat on amnesty will be the death of many a Republican seeking re-election while millions of illegal aliens and guest workers seeking a social services life-lines will get roped by the Democrats and in so doing Democrats will ensure that the Republican Party will never resurface as a majority party for decades into the future.

We Now Know Which Senators Want Amnesty. How and When did it Happen?

A very clever amendment introduced by Sen. David Vitter (R-LA) on Thursday, March 24 th, unmasked those Senators that have been playing both sides of the Amnesty charade. Sen. Vitter offered an amendment that would have stripped out all provisions to reward nearly all the 20 million illegal aliens with permanent legal status. The amendment sent the normally sedate and elderly Senators clumsily scrambling for cover. Senator Lamar Alexander tried his best to help his Republican colleagues dodge having to show their true color as Amnestistas by attacking the amendment, but to no avail. So here are the Senators that are now known to support Amnesty while feigning to oppose it.

If your state is on this list, you have your work cut out for you. Please do not let any of the Senators off the hook. They voted NO on the Vitter amendment. Go to www.DOLZ.com/call and start calling them.

Alaska: Murkowski (R-AK), Nay Stevens (R-AK), Nay

Arizona: Kyl (R-AZ), Nay McCain (R-AZ), Nay

Arkansas: Lincoln (D-AR), Nay

California: Boxer (D-CA), Nay Feinstein (D-CA), Nay

Colorado: Yea Salazar (D-CO), Nay

Connecticut: Dodd (D-CT), Nay Lieberman (ID-CT), Nay

Delaware: Biden (D-DE), Nay Carper (D-DE), Nay

Florida: Martinez (R-FL), Nay Nelson (D-FL), Nay

Georgia: Chambliss (R-GA), Nay Isakson (R-GA), Nay

Hawaii: Akaka (D-HI), Nay Inouye (D-HI), Nay

Idaho: Craig (R-ID), Nay

Illinois: Durbin (D-IL), Nay Obama (D-IL), Nay

Indiana: Bayh (D-IN), Nay Lugar (R-IN), Nay

Iowa: Harkin (D-IA), Nay

Maine: Collins (R-ME), Nay Snowe (R-ME), Nay

Maryland: Cardin (D-MD), Nay Mikulski (D-MD), Nay

Massachusetts: Kennedy (D-MA), Nay Kerry (D-MA), Nay

Michigan: Levin (D-MI), Nay Stabenow (D-MI), Nay

Mi nnesota: Coleman (R-MN), Nay Klobuchar (D-MN), Nay

Mississippi: Lott (R-MS), Nay

Nebraska: Hagel (R-NB) Nay

Nevada: Ensign (R-NV), Nay Reid (D-NV), Nay

New Hampshire: Gregg (R-NH), Nay

New Jersey: Lautenberg (D-NJ), Nay Menendez (D-NJ), Nay

New Mexico: Bingaman (D-NM), Nay Domenici (R-NM), Nay

New York: Clinton (D-NY), Nay

North Carolina: Burr (R-NC), Nay

North Dakota: Conrad (D-ND), Nay

Ohio: Brown (D-OH), Nay Voinovich (R-OH), Nay

Oregon: Smith (R-OR), Nay Wyden (D-OR), Nay

Pennsylvania: Casey (D-PA), Nay Specter (R-PA), Nay

Rhode Island: Reed (D-RI), Nay Whitehouse (D-RI), Nay

South Carolina: Graham (R-SC), Nay

Texas: Cornyn (R-TX), Nay Hutchison (R-TX), Nay

Utah: Bennett (R-UT), Nay

Vermont: Leahy (D-VT), Nay Sanders (I-VT), Nay

Virginia: Warner (R-VA), Nay Webb (D-VA), Nay

Washington: Cantwell (D-WA), Nay Murray (D-WA), Nay

You can tell that many Senators believe that you represent a major bloc of voters because 3 of the Democrats who voted for the amnesty last year but voted against it today are up for re-election next year:DEMOCRAT HEROS

Senators Pryor (D-Ark.), Landrieu (D-La.), Baucus (D-Mont.).

WHAT CAN YOU DO? What Must You Do?

The most important action you can take is CALL these senators. Call every time there is an amendment for consideration. Since there will be many amendments considered daily you are justified in calling many, many times per day. It is VERY IMPORTANT that you know your City and Zip Code when you call. The absolute best place to find the right telephone number for the senators and the committees is here: www.dolz.com/call

For more information on how to wage “citizenship” in defeating this amnesty bill, contact the following websites for information and tools.

www.dolz.com/call

www.NumbersUSA.com

www.MinutemanHQ.com

www.ALIPAC.us

www.DOLZ.com

The amnesty bill will be voted on Monday, June 4 th. Immediately after reading this article, get on the phone. Call, call and call again. Call on the weekend; call during office hours and outside of office hours. Call from your car, call from the commuter train, call from where you are on vacation. If the cell numbers are listed in www.dolz.com/call then call the senators cell numbers. Call the staffers at the office and at their cell numbers. Call the committees where these senators serve. Call them at home. Call, Call and Call. We will not be able to UNDO amnesty. You have to stop it now.

When this is over, we will concentrate on rewarding those senators that put our sovereignty, the American worker and the tax payer first and we will work acidulously to defeat those senators that have plotted to push the amnesty bill.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; deafrino; deathofthewest; georgewbush; illegalaliens; invaders; treason
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To: FredHunter08

Using your logic, every single POTUS in history could be accused on violating the Oath by not enforcing all the federal laws on the books. With each president there would a different issue to pick on of course. Immigration would likely be on the top ten reasons, in many cases there will be multiple laws that were ignored, not emphasised, minimized or whatever you want to call it.

Reagans mistake was NOT enforced...the law may have required it, but that never happened. If there had been effective enforcement, would we be where we are today? The fact of the matter is the politicians we have been sending to the Beltway have not really given immigration any serious consideration until they are forced to do so. When they do, as they did in the 1960’s, the 1880’s, and here in 2007, they opt for some form of amnesty.

I’ll offer you an example. Around 1998 I was a police officer for a small town in Central Illinois. One night I pulled over a car load of hispanic males on a traffic offense. Every subject in that car had bogus ID. with the assistance of the Immigration and Naturalization Service Database I was actually able to confirm that one of the guys was an illegal alien and was known to the INS. I arrested everyone of them for fake ID charges, and waseven able to determine exactly where the fake ID’swere being issued. INS would not come and get them. They were deemed to be a minor matter and after they posted bond, they all split. Want to take a bet about them showing for court? Of course they didn’t. Law enforcement has been screaming about this for decades. This problem IS NOT of Bush’s doing. He’s not doing anything to fix it to be sure, but there is a massive amount of resistance in Washington D.C. to addressing the immigration problem.

The only way we can effect change is to elect people that will make the necessary changes in attitude and laws towards illegals. Bush isn’t ruining the future of anyones children, the whole federal establishment is guilty of that...legislative, judicial, and executive.

What hateful rhetoric is Bush or his representatives spewing? The man is not hateful in anyway. Give me an example of Bush hate speech.

Our country will survive Bush. IF we can find conservative leadership to address those issues we all care about. If we can’t manage to do that as a nation, and we are eventually destroyed....we’ll only have ourselves to blame.


101 posted on 05/28/2007 5:17:51 PM PDT by GLH3IL (This so called 're-deployment' is really a vote catching program. General Patton - 1944)
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To: GLH3IL
“Using your logic, every single POTUS in history could be accused on violating the Oath by not enforcing all the federal laws on the books.”

Perhaps they could.

“Reagans mistake was NOT enforced...the law may have required it, but that never happened.”

That was Congress. If you want to see what executive intentional non-enforcement looks like, take a look at the rates of interior enforcement actions in 1999 through 2001. Clinton had token interior enforcement. Bush effectively zeroed it.

“This problem IS NOT of Bush’s doing.”

He has made every effort to make the problem worse. That’s something you continue to ignore. At the very least, 9/11 should have changed things. When, if ever, does the “buck stop here” anymore?

“The only way we can effect change is to elect people that will make the necessary changes in attitude and laws towards illegals. Bush isn’t ruining the future of anyones children, the whole federal establishment is guilty of that...legislative, judicial, and executive.”

The LAWS ALREADY EXIST. What we need is a government that does its damned job, instead of inventing powers it was never granted.

Oh, this massive amnesty bill wouldn’t have been brought forward last year or this year if Bush wasn’t pushing this.

“What hateful rhetoric is Bush or his representatives spewing? The man is not hateful in anyway. Give me an example of Bush hate speech.”

They’re using “nativist” and “restrictionist” as insults. Have you listened to what Chertoff and company have been saying the past week? Does “vigilante” ring a bell?

“If we can’t manage to do that as a nation, and we are eventually destroyed....we’ll only have ourselves to blame.”

I will never again hold my nose and play the “lessor of two evils” game.

102 posted on 05/28/2007 8:27:50 PM PDT by FredHunter08 (Guiliani! Come and Take Them!)
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To: Bommer

>>Kerry would have already surrendered on the war on terror
Talk radio would have been offically shut down
Hate crimes legistaltion would be the law of the land, effectively outlawing Christianity
Tax cuts would have been resinded
Stock Market would have collapsed and unemployment would have dramatically risen due to the higher tax rate
Islam would be allowed to run unchecked and terrorism would be more rampent
Gay marrage would be legal in all 50 states
Illegals would have been given full amnesty the first 90 days of Kerry being sworn in, with no debate
No Roberts or Ailto on the SCOTUS<<

Bush has done his damndest to make sure we get more of all those problems in the future, thanks to this stupid amnesty adventure, which greatly endangers the Republican Party in 2008.


103 posted on 05/28/2007 8:34:29 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
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To: FredHunter08

“The LAWS ALREADY EXIST. What we need is a government that does its damned job, instead of inventing powers it was never granted.”

The laws do exist, to an extent yes. However laws establishing much stronger border controls such a fences, allowing the military to become more active in providing border security, etc are all things that we need to seriously address via legislation. Yes we have some fencing, yes the military is somewhat involved at this point, but not nearly enough for my liking - at all...along the Souther border, and the Norther border as well.

“That was Congress.”

That was also Regan, Bush Sr., Clinton, and Dubya. Congress passes legislation, the POTUS signs it into law and then has a duty to charge the various elements of the Executive branch to enforce the laws. Congress passed the laws, the POTUS signed it, the enforcement is where the breakdown has occurred...not just with Bush. Token enforcement is just as bad, if not worse, than doing nothing in my view. Additionally, Congrssional oversight seems to have let us all down as well wouldn’t you agree? We’ve had a republican congress in charge for about a decade - they failed us too. It is not just Bush that is the problem here is my point. Yes, the buck stops with him to one degree or another....but Congress must not be ignored in it’s culpability in this thing. Yeah we tossed out the bums in 2006, and got a whole new pack of ‘em it would seem. The shame of it all is the sheer number of elected Republicans that are supporting this bill. We can expact the Dims to support such nonsense as amnesty, but republicans?

“They’re using “nativist” and “restrictionist” as insults. Have you listened to what Chertoff and company have been saying the past week? Does “vigilante” ring a bell?”

This may be inflamatory speech, it may be frustrating speech, it may be many things - but if you want real hate speech all you need to do is take a gander at the moveon.org crowd and liberals in general. THEY know hate speech far beter and far more frequently than anything Bush or any other Republican has dared to utter. Keep things in perspective here.

“I will never again hold my nose and play the “lessor of two evils” game.”

We finally find something to agree on. But this involves more than just what we do in the voting booth. We all must pressure the Republican party to recruit and advance conservative-mindedindividuals that have strong leadership potential to run for offices at all levels of government. Illinois is a mess today. Why? The republican party decided that it wanted to be as irrelevant as possible and made darned sure that happend. Say hello Gov. Ryan! The same can be said on the national scene. Conservatism is no longer the power in Washington D.C. Moderates and liberals run the show. Bush never really hid his agenda...his compassionate conservatism was just a code name for his being a slightly right-leaning moderate. Why did Bush succeed? Because no true conservative was able to rise up and challege Bush in either presidential primary he was a candidate in. Unacceptable? You bet...that’s why this election we conservatives MUST stand up and make our voices heard to the RNC for the primaries, and eventually in the 2008 elections.


104 posted on 05/29/2007 7:25:38 AM PDT by GLH3IL (This so called 're-deployment' is really a vote catching program. General Patton - 1944)
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To: GLH3IL
“The laws do exist, to an extent yes.”

To an extent? What laws did Eisenhower apply?

“Dubya. Congress passes legislation, the POTUS signs it into law and then has a duty to charge the various elements of the Executive branch to enforce the laws. “

Apparently, only if he wants to. Did Congress mandate “catch and release”?

“THEY know hate speech far beter and far more frequently than anything Bush or any other Republican has dared to utter. Keep things in perspective here.”

I don’t listen to them. I didn’t vote and donate for them. I want my money back.

“We finally find something to agree on. But this involves more than just what we do in the voting booth. We all must pressure the Republican party to recruit and advance conservative-mindedindividuals that have strong leadership potential to run for offices at all levels of government. Illinois is a mess today.”

Yes, we should. We need to start by deposing the RNC.

105 posted on 05/29/2007 5:50:30 PM PDT by FredHunter08 (Guiliani! Come and Take Them!)
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To: Politicalmom

bump for later reading


106 posted on 05/29/2007 5:54:28 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: wardaddy

Good to see you & Travis posting again. Hope you’ve been well.


107 posted on 05/29/2007 5:57:55 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: GLH3IL
"Like it or not, the man does what he says he's gonna do. I'm not any happier about it than you are, and the only way we are gonna checkmate him on this is via putting suffocating pressure on Congress - cause Bush isn't going to change his mind as long as he's in office."

You make it sound like being pig-headed and stubborn as a mule is a virture.

It's not.

sw

108 posted on 05/29/2007 6:04:00 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife (..._ _ _...)
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To: spectre

I’ll take stubborn over the poll driven finger in the wind crowd anyday! At least ya know what you are dealing with.


109 posted on 05/29/2007 6:06:49 PM PDT by GLH3IL (This so called 're-deployment' is really a vote catching program. General Patton - 1944)
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To: skeeter

Good to see you too skeeter

feels very nice to see friendly faces


110 posted on 05/29/2007 7:12:13 PM PDT by wardaddy (on parole)
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To: Bommer; arasina
Don't get me wrong. I hate Bush for this pro Amnesty stance, but under Kerry, most of the crap we are mad about 3 years into Bush's presidency, would have been law in the first 90 days under Kerry.

Perhaps that is so, but in that case, the Republican Party would not have been destroyed, and the Conservative movement would have been positively re-invigorated...

111 posted on 05/29/2007 7:50:16 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: So Circumstanced

Bush’s contempt for doing his job (enforcing law) is enraging.

“On one hand, he is hell bent on thumbing his nose at the rule of law, thereby cheapening its meaning, then on the other hand, he wants to pass a heap of more legislation, thereby watering down any semblence of validity to anything he would to or say about any matter from this point on.

What should we call him now?! ...
“The Anarchist in Chief “ ?”

I believe he feels that his political career is ruined and his legacy permanently tarnished. Actually, up until two months ago I thought of him as one of the greater American President’s that kept this country together during one of the most trying times of our countries history. Now he acts like Hitler at the end of WWII turning on his own constituency base and people. Sad I would really ever compare this our President to someone so evil, but self serving and destuctive is self serving and destructive.


112 posted on 05/29/2007 7:54:18 PM PDT by iThinkBig
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To: Biblebelter

“The long term effect of Amnesty is to expand the social welfare state, but that expansion will destroy representative government and what is left the private free enterprise system. The public sector economy will overtake the private sector economy if illegals are legalized by amnesty.”

Like what happened to France in the last two decades. After mountains of empirical data on the short, intermediate and long-term effects of having open door policies and government hand-outs, we see people who were never entitled in the first place burning, rioting and looting every summer. Try getting a full time job in France. Good luck, all they hire now is part time because hiring a full timer is a life long contract with the employee in control. Look at France’s economic growth from WWII until 1980 then look at it from then to 2007. The Socialist have been booted from power.

Even the liberal French knows this is a failed experiment, so why the *uck is our politicians selling us out for this *hit? I will vote for Mitt Romney next election. He may not win it, but at least I gave it a shot when I emmigrate out of this country before Hillary allows it to be destroyed.

I love history very much and what it teaches us. Why did Rome really fall? The idea of becoming a Roman citizen meant privalege and status. It was worth fighting for, even if you were not a true Roman by birthright. Like Rome, they deteriorated when they cheapened that citizenship in lieu of extra taxes selling it out to any bidder to pay the corrupt Senator’s pleasures. Same thing here people, but nowadays in the information age, this won’t take 400 years, it will happen in 40.


113 posted on 05/29/2007 8:08:21 PM PDT by iThinkBig
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To: GLH3IL

“The immigration issue has been around longer than you and I have been alive, and that has been far far far too long. Bush’s polcies on this issue are unforunate, but they are not all that different from presidents before him. We can’t blame him for this problem....but we can hold the Republican Party and the Democrat Party accountable for getting this thing cleaned up....and the outrage we are seeing now across the politcan spectrum on this issue makes this the time to push for change that, otherwise will not happen - except for more liberal policies that we have suffered from for to long already.

Bush isns’t the problem here folks. The real problem is far too many Americans don’t know or care about this issue...Rush Limbaugh has it right - we must educate and inform if REAL change is to happen. Despite some opinions to the contrary - the American people still run the show...and we get what we elect for the most part. We have to find ways to wake up our nation to these critical issues we case in immigration, terrorism, etc. Immigration is just the symptom, the root cause of our problem lies in the apathy and ignorance of far too many of our fellow Americans.”

I WILL NOT GIVE BUSH A PASS!!! This is a new world. A world where suicidal jihadis are preparing for nuclear 911. I thought Bush got this after 911 and despite the families reputation of honoring constituent promises to the death, it was time to put that practice aside and join us FULLY in protecting this country AT ALL COSTS. He is violating his oath of office. Even the dumbest of the Bush clan know that bad guys are slipping through the border including our 3rd world friends ready to cause the next great depression dying for allah while Bin Laden and Al Zwahiri laugh with their shit-ass eating grins. Two wars here guy. At home on our border to make sure the 100,000 die for islams don’t wreak domestic terror. The other war Bush kinda gets but then backs down, listening to Condie and other moronic cabinet members. This guy needs to be impeached. I defended this POTUS for his failings in Iraq which his wishy-washiness (not the action of Iraq itself) has caused us to be feared more then Iran globally. What does that tell you? PLEASE WAKE UP. We need you fellow freeper to be an American.


114 posted on 05/29/2007 8:18:56 PM PDT by iThinkBig
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To: GLH3IL

“However, Bush has at least paid some attention to border security, not much, but some.”

Stop it. Bush did nothing until We The People created the Mintuteman movement on the border to assist law enforcement to catch the bad guys. You had Bush calling them vigalantes just like far left Geraldo Rivera. After massive American support from We The People for the Minuteman, Bush finally got off his ass and got in the some national guard. The deployment should have been 30,000 men with lots of helicopters. Instead, you got 6,000 and almost no support equipment, a token gesture at best.


115 posted on 05/29/2007 8:26:39 PM PDT by iThinkBig
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To: Norman Arbuthnot

“The other reasons are directly related to the policies if the Bush Administration, and they are Iraq and Immigration. In both cases Republicans suffered because they were tied to the failures associated with the first issue and with the unpopularity of the second issue.

Unfortunately, the war in Iraq, post-invasion, has been terribly mismanaged. The architects of the war plan (Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Franks, etc.) grossly underestimated the challenges of Rescontruction in Iraq (Phase IV operations). It has proven to be FAR more costly then they estimated, both financially and in terms of the number of troops required to successfully carry it out. The results of the poor planning were not totally clear in 04, but by 06 they certainly were. Most Republicans supported removing Saddam from power, but are justifiably upset and discouraged by the evident lack of planning and lack of progress in Iraq. If Bush ran against Kerry in 06 instead of 04 he would have lost IMO because many more Republicans simply would stayed home. Of course, Bush wasn’t on ballot in 06 so voters took out their frustration on the Repulican congress.

Secondly, on Immigration the Bush Administration is totally out of step with the vast marority of Republicans. Many Republicans were discouraged by the Bush stance on immigration last year when the issue was debated last year. Again, Republicans in congress suffered because many conservative voters had no motivation to turn out and support the GOP when the leader of the Party was hellbent on passing legislation that was a total anathema to them.”

Excellent analysis.


116 posted on 05/29/2007 8:44:55 PM PDT by iThinkBig
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To: Kimberly GG

“Poor Senators, want their cake and eat it too...they’re trying to do the bidding of big business as fast as possible, and hope we’ll forget by 2008.”

Not a frigging chance this time between market manipulation at the pumps from big oil and immigration serving other multiple lobbies needing cheapo labor at the cost of our society. Big oil has a right to make profit. But not one penny has been spent increasing supply at all, again hurting America long-term. Blaming the Dems and the envirowhackos about energy is now a cop-out, refineries can be built but now won’t. Why? Because those at the top between big business and our politicians are all selling out America hard and fast. Jeez, perhaps the islamist facists don’t even have to bother attacking us anymore. Our greed is doing the job for them.


117 posted on 05/29/2007 8:50:04 PM PDT by iThinkBig
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To: GLH3IL

“I can’t argue that what you have said is true. However, Congress had before it legislation on things like Bush’s energy policy that was a very strong recommendation for change...they failed on key points of that plan, especially ANWAR. The GOP Congress certainly helped with cutting it’s own throat on the immigration issue as well..and apparently the secure the borders first message did not sink in with far too many GOP Senators and House members. Bush, true to form, is sticking to his guns on immigration. Given that he’s not worried about re-election, and congress is...we need to checkmate the illegal immigration amnesty crap in Congress.”

Now your making some sense to me. This bill ammended a few times will pass the Senate,of that I am 85% certain. But Congress is a different matter and one where we can sit down IN PERSON with our Congressmen/Women, demonstrate and make sure this thing doesn’t pass. I won’t argue about Bush anymore. This one act kills everything else he did in my book, destroying the Republican party for his friends across the border. If he passed more free trade with Mexico which would have increased the economy without burden and the social impacts of the immigrants, I would have been more then fine. That my friend was what he pitched in 2000, NOT 20 million Mexicans becoming legal overnight and how he went about it like a sneaky little bitch instead of the leader of the free world.


118 posted on 05/29/2007 9:00:24 PM PDT by iThinkBig
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To: GLH3IL

“I am a police officer actually. We do select what laws to enforce on a daily basis. Less because of personal reasons and more for reasons of a practical nature. Not because we are bad cops, but because we just can’t possible enforce all of the laws all of the time.”

Thanks for abusing your power to uphold the law at all costs and consider upholding it a matter of being practical or not practical. I am done posting to you at this point. I suppose you drink and drive at a Policemans Ball but pull people over and give them DWI?


119 posted on 05/29/2007 9:05:02 PM PDT by iThinkBig
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To: Do Be

“And thanks for the answer. You sound like a great guy who has yet to discover that he is being betrayed.

God bless you and yours.”

Well put, his ignorance was pissing me off.


120 posted on 05/29/2007 9:06:47 PM PDT by iThinkBig
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