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Good. Does this mean that in 5 years, we can do whatever the crap we want?
1 posted on 05/15/2007 6:03:50 PM PDT by freakboy
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Just five years? Oh crap, looks like I’d better start packing. Time to get out the star charts again. Maybe Art Bell can recommend a good place to relocate.
59 posted on 05/15/2007 7:26:50 PM PDT by Brucifer (JF'n Kerry- "That's not just a paper cut, it's a Purple Heart!")
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Get back to me after 2012 and then ask me if I give a frack.
62 posted on 05/15/2007 7:32:09 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedanism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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that reminds me of that circa 1970 ramparts magazine

that had the oceans dying off in several decades.


63 posted on 05/15/2007 7:33:58 PM PDT by ken21 (it takes a village to brainwash your child + to steal your property! /s)
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This is too, too funny.


64 posted on 05/15/2007 7:33:59 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod (Benedict XVI = Terminator IV)
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>>>The WWF report also states that nuclear power is not necessary to cut carbon emissions.<<<

that’s what the report’s really about:

they don’t want any more nuclear plants.

remember that jane fonda nuke movie?


65 posted on 05/15/2007 7:35:40 PM PDT by ken21 (it takes a village to brainwash your child + to steal your property! /s)
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Those Flying Saucers

You’d better pray to the Lord when you see those flying saucers
It may be the coming of the Judgment Day
It’s a sign there’s no doubt of the trouble that’s about
So I say my friends you’d better start to pray

They’re a terrifying sight as they fly on day and night
It’s a warning that we’d better mend our ways
You’d better pray to the Lord when you see those flying saucers
It may be the coming of the Judgment Day

Many people think the saucers might be someone’s foolish dream
Or maybe they were sent down here from Mars
If you’ll just stop and think you’d realize just what it means
They’re more than atom bombs or falling stars

And though the war may be through there’s unrest and trouble brewin’
And those flying saucers may be just a sign
That if peace doesn’t come it will be the end of some
So repent today, you’re running out of time

When you see a saucer fly like a comet through the sky
You should realize the price you’ll have to pay
You’d better pray to the Lord when you see those flying saucers
It may be the coming of the Judgment Day

The Buchanan Brothers [1947]
Those Flying Saucers
(Cy Coben-Charlie Green)
Victor Records #20-2385


67 posted on 05/15/2007 7:41:40 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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If my calculations are right, in 5 years the earth will be entering a period of global cooling. . . . of unprecedented proportions.
68 posted on 05/15/2007 7:44:31 PM PDT by lmsii (If the Democrats are for it, I'm Against It.)
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Five Years Left to Save the Planet

Too late, only Algore can save our planet now.
All Algore needs to do is to stop flying private jets, and get rid of his SUV starting pedaling his GOREMOBILE he used to tout before the fatal (for him) Florida countdown.

Heil AlGore!

70 posted on 05/15/2007 7:57:21 PM PDT by Anticommie
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Why is it that liberals won’t place bets at Vegas on global warming occurring in 5 years or not?


74 posted on 05/15/2007 8:11:53 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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I saw some documentary that said the Mayans had predicted the end of the world in 2012. It said their calender ran out on Dec 21 2012!
80 posted on 05/15/2007 8:25:41 PM PDT by Empireoftheatom48
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"This report shows that although the scale of the climate change challenge can seem daunting, it can be tackled provided we act with real urgency.


81 posted on 05/15/2007 8:28:49 PM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (NY Times: "fake but accurate")
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The world’s ending in 2012 anyway. I think this is just a scam so the WWF can live high on the hog until then.


83 posted on 05/15/2007 8:34:40 PM PDT by Duke Nukum (I wish the world was a newt!)
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We're doomed.

86 posted on 05/15/2007 9:10:55 PM PDT by sig226 (Where did my tag line go?)
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Our kids were talking tonight about something on the Internet called 'Encyclopedia Dramatica'. Sounds like this sort of group is a prime example of one of the entries in it.

Frankly I'm getting tired of the drama queens screaming that we're killing the earth with absolutely NO evidence to back up their claims.

87 posted on 05/15/2007 9:47:19 PM PDT by SuziQ
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This is a stick up!


88 posted on 05/15/2007 11:26:19 PM PDT by virgil
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Here read this and from a Liberal no less!

From Papal Indulgences to Carbon Credits
Is Global Warming a Sin?
By ALEXANDER COCKBURN

In a couple of hundred years, historians will be comparing the frenzies over our supposed human contribution to global warming to the tumults at the latter end of the tenth century as the Christian millennium approached. Then, as now, the doomsters identified human sinfulness as the propulsive factor in the planet’s rapid downward slide.

Then as now, a buoyant market throve on fear. The Roman Catholic Church was a bank whose capital was secured by the infinite mercy of Christ, Mary and the Saints, and so the Pope could sell indulgences, like checks. The sinners established a line of credit against bad behavior and could go on sinning. Today a world market in “carbon credits” is in formation. Those whose “carbon footprint” is small can sell their surplus carbon credits to others, less virtuous than themselves.

The modern trade is as fantastical as the medieval one. There is still zero empirical evidence that anthropogenic production of CO2 is making any measurable contribution to the world’s present warming trend. The greenhouse fearmongers rely entirely on unverified, crudely oversimplified computer models to finger mankind’s sinful contribution. Devoid of any sustaining scientific basis, carbon trafficking is powered by guilt, credulity, cynicism and greed, just like the old indulgences, though at least the latter produced beautiful monuments. By the sixteenth century, long after the world had sailed safely through the end of the first millennium, Pope Leo X financed the reconstruction of St. Peter’s Basilica by offering a “plenary” indulgence, guaranteed to release a soul from purgatory.

Now imagine two lines on a piece of graph paper. The first rises to a crest, then slopes sharply down, then levels off and rises slowly once more. The other has no undulations. It rises in a smooth, slowly increasing arc. The first, wavy line is the worldwide CO2 tonnage produced by humans burning coal, oil and natural gas. On this graph it starts in 1928, at 1.1 gigatons (i.e. 1.1 billion metric tons). It peaks in 1929 at 1.17 gigatons. The world, led by its mightiest power, the USA, plummets into the Great Depression, and by 1932 human CO2 production has fallen to 0.88 gigatons a year, a 30 per cent drop. Hard times drove a tougher bargain than all the counsels of Al Gore or the jeremiads of the IPCC (Inter-Governmental Panel on Climate Change). Then, in 1933 it began to climb slowly again, up to 0.9 gigatons.

And the other line, the one ascending so evenly? That’s the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere, parts per million (ppm) by volume, moving in 1928 from just under 306, hitting 306 in 1929, to 307 in 1932 and on up. Boom and bust, the line heads up steadily. These days it’s at 380.There are, to be sure, seasonal variations in CO2, as measured since 1958 by the instruments on Mauna Loa, Hawai’i. (Pre-1958 measurements are of air bubbles trapped in glacial ice.) Summer and winter vary steadily by about 5 ppm, reflecting photosynthesis cycles. The two lines on that graph proclaim that a whopping 30 per cent cut in man-made CO2 emissions didn’t even cause a 1 ppm drop in the atmosphere’s CO2. Thus it is impossible to assert that the increase in atmospheric CO2 stems from human burning of fossil fuels.

I met Dr. Martin Hertzberg, the man who drew that graph and those conclusions, on a Nation cruise back in 2001. He remarked that while he shared many of the Nation’s editorial positions, he approved of my reservations on the issue of supposed human contributions to global warming, as outlined in columns I wrote at that time. Hertzberg was a meteorologist for three years in the U.S. Navy, an occupation which gave him a lifelong mistrust of climate modeling. Trained in chemistry and physics, a combustion research scientist for most of his career, he’s retired now in Copper Mountain, Colorado, still consulting from time to time.

Not so long ago, Hertzberg sent me some of his recent papers on the global warming hypothesis, a construct now accepted by many progressives as infallible as Papal dogma on matters of faith or doctrine. Among them was the graph described above so devastating to the hypothesis.

As Hertzberg readily acknowledges, the carbon dioxide content of the atmosphere has increased about 21 per cent in the past century. The world has also been getting just a little bit warmer. The not very reliable data on the world’s average temperature (which omit most of the world’s oceans and remote regions, while over-representing urban areas) show about a 0.5Co increase in average temperature between 1880 and 1980, and it’s still rising, more sharply in the polar regions than elsewhere. But is CO2, at 380 parts per million in the atmosphere, playing a significant role in retaining the 94 per cent of solar radiation that’s absorbed in the atmosphere, as against water vapor, also a powerful heat absorber, whose content in humid tropical atmosphere, can be as high as 2 per cent, the equivalent of 20,000 ppm. As Hertzberg says, water in the form of oceans, clouds, snow, ice cover and vapor “is overwhelming in the radiative and energy balance between the earth and the sun Carbon dioxide and the greenhouse gases are, by comparison, the equivalent of a few farts in a hurricane.” And water is exactly that component of the earth’s heat balance that the global warming computer models fail to account for.

It’s a notorious inconvenience for the Greenhousers that data also show carbon dioxide concentrations from the Eocene period, 20 million years before Henry Ford trundled his first model T out of the shop, 300-400 per cent higher than current concentrations. The Greenhousers deal with other difficulties like the medieval warming period’s higher-than-today’s temperatures by straightforward chicanery, misrepresenting tree-ring data (themselves an unreliable guide) and claiming the warming was a local, insignificant European affair.

We’re warmer now, because today’s world is in the thaw following the last Ice Age. Ice ages correlate with changes in the solar heat we receive, all due to predictable changes in the earth’s elliptic orbit round the sun, and in the earth’s tilt. As Hertzberg explains, the cyclical heat effect of all of these variables was worked out in great detail between 1915 and 1940 by the Serbian physicist, Milutin Milankovitch, one of the giants of 20th-century astrophysics. In past postglacial cycles, as now, the earth’s orbit and tilt gives us more and longer summer days between the equinoxes.

Water covers 71 per cent of the surface of the planet. As compared to the atmosphere, there’s at least a hundred times more CO2 in the oceans, dissolved as carbonate. As the postglacial thaw progresses the oceans warm up, and some of the dissolved carbon emits into the atmosphere, just like fizz in soda water taken out of the fridge. “So the greenhouse global warming theory has it ass backwards,” Hertzberg concludes. “It is the warming of the earth that is causing the increase of carbon dioxide and not the reverse.” He has recently had vivid confirmation of that conclusion. Several new papers show that for the last three quarter million years CO2 changes always lag global temperatures by 800 to 2,600 years.

It looks like Poseidon should go hunting for carbon credits. Trouble is, the human carbon footprint is of zero consequence amid these huge forces and volumes, and that’s not even to mention the role of the giant reactor beneath our feet: the earth’s increasingly hot molten core.

91 posted on 05/16/2007 3:29:38 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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92 posted on 05/16/2007 3:35:21 AM PDT by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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93 posted on 05/16/2007 3:39:28 AM PDT by Beckwith (dhimmicrats and the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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Sorry, but until we hear the official word from Mike Farrell, I’ve gotta consider this article to be mere speculation. ;^)


94 posted on 05/16/2007 3:52:04 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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95 posted on 05/16/2007 4:52:30 AM PDT by Raycpa
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