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Bung Yer Keghole, You Hindenburgers You [ hydrogen economy ]
Maggie's Farm ^
| Thursday, May 10, 2007
| Roger de Hauteville
Posted on 05/14/2007 7:19:54 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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I don't want to hear another word from a Marxist masquerading as a scientist. I'm fresh out of patience for two-trust-fund Savanarolas trying to impress some lumpen girl with a cryptkeeper complexion and a shock of underarm hair by joining ELF and burning down condos and keying elaborate station wagons. I don't want another exposition on why the world will end yesterday by a hayseed Frankenstein's monster droning through an apocalyptic PowerPoint presentation with the graphs upside down and backwards. And I especially don't want to hear another word about hydrogen. Why? Because it's stupid, that's why. The Queen in Lewis Carroll's Through the Looking Glass says that she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast." ...For example, if liquid hydrogen is the form employed, then storing 20 kilograms onboard (equivalent in energy content to 20 gallons of gasoline) would require an insulated cryogenic fuel tank with a volume of some 280 liters (70 gallons). This cryogenic hydrogen would always be boiling away, which would create concerns for those who have to leave their cars parked for any length of time, and which would also turn the atmospheres in underground or otherwise enclosed parking garages into explosive fuel-air mixtures. Public parking garages containing such cars could be expected to explode regularly, since hydrogen is flammable over concentrations in air ranging from 4 to 75 percent, and the minimum energy required for its ignition is about one-twentieth that required for gasoline or natural gas... You want a hydrogen economy? Go to the sun, and get me some. |
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TOPICS: Business/Economy; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: climate; diatribe; energy; hydrogen
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To: Jokelahoma
Right, yeah, and I still read the auspices. Sorry that you (and some other like-”minded” FReepers) prefer to heap abuse and ridicule on people based on your misrepresentation of their views.
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posted on
05/15/2007 7:33:33 AM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
(Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated May 11, 2007.)
To: SunkenCiv
"Heap abuse and ridicule"? Really? For pointing out the "we can't ever do that, ever, and you're stupid if you try" gist of the article is a defeatist attitude? That's all it takes to qualify for "heap(ing) abuse and ridicule"? Yet telling those with whom you disagree to "bung their keghole" is perfectly acceptable?
Doctor's must love you. There's no need to even do x-rays when you have skin so thin they can see right through it.
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posted on
05/15/2007 7:42:30 AM PDT
by
Jokelahoma
(Animal testing is a bad idea. They get all nervous and give wrong answers.)
To: Jokelahoma
Or doctors, without the apostrophe, for those keeping score at home.
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posted on
05/15/2007 7:44:11 AM PDT
by
Jokelahoma
(Animal testing is a bad idea. They get all nervous and give wrong answers.)
To: Jokelahoma
Your nick is Jokelahoma, and the slightly altered title of this topic which I used above (in response to your first piece of ridicule) was merely a reference to the song “Oklahoma”, but I guess you couldn’t figure that out. In like kind...
...next time try breaking the Prozacs in half.
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posted on
05/15/2007 8:12:43 AM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
(Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated May 11, 2007.)
To: SunkenCiv
Neither whether you were trying to be cute in a manner that fell completely flat or actually thought that name calling tactic would score points has anything to do with the nearly Luddite nature of the article you posted, which is where any, ahem, "ridicule" was "heaped".
So let's review:
1. You post an article that says, in effect, "hydrogen can't work as fuel, it will never work, ever ever ever, and if you think it can or think it's worth pursuing in spite of current obstacles, you are an idiot and should just shut up because I never want to hear you talk ever ever ever so keg your bunghole la la la la la I can't heeeeear yooooouuuu"
2. Others respond that in spite of current obstacles, perhaps it may be just a bit early to write off hydrogen as impossible, and therefore it stands to reason the article is perhaps showing just a little of a defeatist nature. That point was made by posting comments in regard to similar claims of "it'll never happen" in the past (the Wright Brothers, antibiotics, man on the moon, etc.), and our knowledge of how well those claims worked out.
3. You somehow become convinced that those comments are directed at you personally, and lash out.
Did I miss anything?
Look, it's easy to misinterpret what people write. The written word is a great educational medium, but it positively sucks as a means of communication, given that a huge -- and I do mean hugh! -- percentage of the message we interpret from others comes from something other than the words that are used. Those other signals that we rely on are missing in written words. So I can see how you might have felt you were being ridiculed. While I'll admit to not reading all the replies, I didn't see anything thrown at you, but rather at the snarky, dismissive attitude of the author of the article you chose to post. So while I can't apologize for your possible misinterpretation of the target of the replies, I am sorry if that is indeed what has happened here. If, however, you posted this in the hopes of finding a way to be offended, well, congratulations. You got what you wanted.
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posted on
05/15/2007 8:35:55 AM PDT
by
Jokelahoma
(Animal testing is a bad idea. They get all nervous and give wrong answers.)
To: Disambiguator
“It is not the critic who counts”
not the man who points out where the strong
man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could
have done better. The credit belongs to the
man who is actually in the arena; whose face is
marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives
valiantly; who errs and comes up short again and
again, because there is no effort without error
and shortcoming; who spends himself in a worthy
cause; who at best knows in the end the triumph
of high achievement; and who at worst, if he fails,
at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place
shall never be with those cold and timid souls who
know neither victory nor defeat”
Teddy Roosevelt, 1910
To: MrEdd
Liquid hydrogen is a complete non-starter as a vehicle fuel, unless the vehicle in question is going into space and will be fueled immediately before takeoff. The problem is that hydrogen can only be kept as a liquid at cryogenic temperatures. It is not possbile to keep it a liquid at ambient temperatures. So the alternatives are storing it as a compressed gas, under insanely high pressures or, more likely, storing it as some sort of chemical compound, like in metal hydrides or such. But that adds a lot of weight. Maybe not too much, though. And then there’s the whole issue of producing an affordable, durable mobile fuel cell, but that’s just a technical issue that can probably be overcome with time.
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posted on
05/15/2007 8:54:10 AM PDT
by
-YYZ-
To: Jay Gatsby
That’s a great quote.
Here’s another (unattributed):
“Critics are like eunuchs at a love-in.”
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posted on
05/15/2007 10:05:20 AM PDT
by
Disambiguator
(If it weren't for bad puns, we wouldn't have no puns at all.)
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posted on
07/01/2007 8:28:30 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
(Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated June 28, 2007.)
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