Posted on 05/14/2007 7:19:54 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
I loved this characterization — “two-trust-fund Savanarolas”. LOL!
here’s a link to a related topic:
The Hydrogen Hoax
The New Atlantis.com | February 8, 2007 | by Robert Zubrin
Posted on 02/08/2007 3:58:09 PM EST by aculeus
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1781558/posts
Ain’t it the truth. Food for fools and idiots of the faux crisis liberal mentality.
Hydrogen IS the most abundant element in the universe. That said, pure and freely available hydrogen is not available in large enough scale to earthlings at this time. It is more trouble than it is worth at this point in time (with few exceptions).
Good to see someone not buying into the hydrogen hype.
Describes two major problems with hydrogen. Energy required to liquify it (or compress it a reasonable amount) and equipment required to store it in any usable form. Of course handling liquid or high pressure hydrogen would not be practical for anyone other than trained professionals.
My son just made out Toro lawm mower run on compressed Hydrogen. It works great and is amazingly simple. There are many ways to use Hydrogen energy and we should all be more open minded to researching what type of system works best. Your criticism does not create anything.
Your criticism does not create anything.
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Oh, really? Will your lawn mower drive me 60 miles to and from work and pull my trailer??? And that is what we have to live with until someone invents a substitute for petro-based gasoline -— and what have YOU created today other than a lawn mower that does not depend on foreign oil ???
Get real.
On windy days, it contributes particulate matter to the atmosphere in the form of airborne grass clippings.
Oh, the humanity.
With current fuel cell technology, a sedan needs about 5 kilos to get the same range as a gasoline equivalent.
Yep this can't exist. Must be a mirage. It isn't practical for hydrogen to be used as a fuel.
Tell me how is the abject denial of empirical evidence in this diatribe ANY different from the junk science Weird Al Gore offers up? I can post pages and pages of working vehicle pictures and you tube links to driving tests.
There comes a point where a position becomes indefensible. You can still claim that internal combustion engines are more cost effective, but to claim that fuel cell vehicles are not feasible is like a toddler throwing a tantrum in the toy aisle at this point - pathetic .
Now go saddle up the horses. We have another meeting to go to where we'll make fun of those who think this new-fangled "automobile" idea could ever possibly work!
These are in Germany and are not mass produced. They are currently about $580,000 U.S. equivalent, or twice the cost of a mass produced diesel bus in that market.
Most of the first automobiles were ridiculously expensive and only affordable by the very wealthy. It wasn’t until Henry Ford and mass production came along that they became affordable to the masses.
ping.
The problem is replacing all the fuel production and distributions systems in America. Everyone will have to either scrap or extensively modify their existing vehicles (>100,000,000?). This is quite a process!
Liquid or compressed Hydrogen is not a vialble fuel. It will have to be chemically or mechanically bound and released on demand.
The particular bus picture I posted uses liquid hydrogen. The bus is in use now. It functions. It is not the only such model. I agree that liquid storage is less for small autos, but only because of the volume interior space they consume - relative to the space required to store equivalent energy in gasoline.
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