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To: tickmeister
(Let me try THIS line...)

If God can just always exist without a creator, then fundamental particles can just always exist without a creator.

You seem to be assuming certain things about GOD as well as things about particles, and then comparing them.

I do not believe you are knowledgeable enough in either area to do so.

(I know that I am not!)

127 posted on 05/15/2007 5:14:18 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

OK, I’ll also try again. I did not state that God cannot have always existed without beginning or end. That’s why I asked you to read the whole thing. I am expressing my frustration with those who observe the universe, find themselves puzzled, then postulate that their puzzlement proves that God must exist since they have no other explanation. In other words all things must have a cause, we can’t immediately see the cause, therefore God must be the cause. At the same time, God is exempted for needing a cause. This is circular logic, or no logic at all. If anything can exist without a cause, God included, then why can’t something else exist without a cause. Even stating that God is not material and doesn’t need a cause is invalid. How do you know he is not material? How do you know the universe is material for that matter? I say again to all theists, the fact that you are puzzled does not prove the existance of God.


136 posted on 05/15/2007 6:04:33 PM PDT by tickmeister (tickmeister)
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