[tickmeister]

OK, I’ll also try again. I did not state that God cannot have always existed without beginning or end. That’s why I asked you to read the whole thing. I am expressing my frustration with those who observe the universe, find themselves puzzled, then postulate that their puzzlement proves that God must exist since they have no other explanation. In other words all things must have a cause, we can’t immediately see the cause, therefore God must be the cause. At the same time, God is exempted for needing a cause. This is circular logic, or no logic at all. If anything can exist without a cause, God included, then why can’t something else exist without a cause. Even stating that God is not material and doesn’t need a cause is invalid. How do you know he is not material? How do you know the universe is material for that matter? I say again to all theists, the fact that you are puzzled does not prove the existance of God.

[Elsie]

If anything can exist without a cause, God included, then why can’t something else exist without a cause.

I suppose it could; IF your logic is correct.  (how can we test it?)

 

 

Even stating that God is not material and doesn’t need a cause is invalid.

Why not?  Who is to SAY it's invalid?

 

 

 How do you know he is not material?

I don't.  I take it on faith.

 

 

How do you know the universe is material for that matter?

As far as I know, there are only two possiblities: material and immaterial.   We can sense the material.

 

 

I say again to all theists, the fact that you are puzzled does not prove the existance of God.

I say again to all searchers, the fact that you are puzzled does not DISprove the existance of God.