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1 posted on 05/07/2007 5:09:15 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

In the 80’s, I was working with a former Sailor who told me the opposite: That the Scorpian was sunk first, and a Soviet sub was sunk in retaliation.


3 posted on 05/07/2007 5:17:14 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8...down to 3..GWB, we hardly knew ye...)
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This kind of stuff really happened. My late father was out with the fleet in the late 1950’s, and many years later he told me of seeing a Russian Bear recon plane buzz the fleet. A few minutes later there was a column of smoke on the horizon when Navy planes shot the Bear down. This was in retaliation for some Soviet shootdown of an American plane somewhere.


4 posted on 05/07/2007 5:18:08 PM PDT by Dumpster Baby ("Hope somebody finds me before the rats do .....")
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The Scorpion’s wreckage was found months later in the Mediterranean Sea

Scorpion was found well into the Atlantic, not the Med. My BS detector is going off.

5 posted on 05/07/2007 5:18:29 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Tailgunner Joe
This guy's web site
6 posted on 05/07/2007 5:18:56 PM PDT by outofstyle
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bump


7 posted on 05/07/2007 5:18:59 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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It was called the Cold War for a reason. The general public seems to think it was only MAD and posturing.


9 posted on 05/07/2007 5:20:35 PM PDT by pepperdog
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Can’t be true. Too many people would know. </TWA800 >


11 posted on 05/07/2007 5:22:35 PM PDT by Raycpa
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May 1968. LBJ and DefSec McNamara (?). Hard to believe that the first the Navy learns of the loss of a nuclear sub is when it doesn’t show up in its Virginia berth as scheduled. Given what has happened since, is there any value to the Pentagon denying this now? Of course, that assumes that the author has an accurate understanding of what happened, which might not be the case either.


12 posted on 05/07/2007 5:22:56 PM PDT by bajabaja
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Ahhh, the loss of the Scorpion is like an entire chapter IIRC of the book "Blind Man's Bluff". That book had unprecidented access to recently declassified material. Not saying it isn't possible, but the people that surveyed the wreckage know where the sub is and somebody would have talked by now. And the wreckage was found in the Atlantic.
18 posted on 05/07/2007 5:36:52 PM PDT by Tallguy (Climate is what you plan for, weather is what you get.)
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Sub ping.
USS Scorpion


25 posted on 05/07/2007 6:04:04 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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I see that no one has gotten to the real reason: Bush’s Fault


31 posted on 05/07/2007 6:20:42 PM PDT by feedback doctor (Hate is not a Family Value; It's a liberal value)
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“Offley said the government can, and probably will, refute his findings.’

I don’t think Offley understands what ‘refute’ means.


35 posted on 05/07/2007 6:31:25 PM PDT by gcruse
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The Scorpion’s wreckage was found months later in the Mediterranean Sea. A board of inquiry reviewed available information and concluded that it didn’t know what caused the sinking.

Must be a different Scorpion. The U.S. one was found south of the Azores.

38 posted on 05/07/2007 6:44:00 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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Poppycock!


39 posted on 05/07/2007 6:50:00 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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I was deeply involved in what was called special ops 400 for 8-9 years and a key player in developing the system AN/WLR-() that was initially installed on the 637 class boats. Off the coast of Russian in 1961 when they tested their first 50 megaton nuclear bomb, Cuban missile crisis and the attack on U.S.S. Liberty. I was the first CTM assigned to a boat as a regular member of the crew on U.S.S TRITON. The U.S.S. THRESHER went to sea on the same day the SEAWOLF did to check out all the special equipment I had installed on her. From what I was able to record on magnetic tape clearly indicated, she did not sink to the bottom as quickly as they announced to the public.
The Scorpion was lost off the coast of the Azores and initially everyone tried to search on her projected course. That is until one engineer who knew about the battery problem with the MK-48 torpedo realized they reversed course hoping to shut down the weapon. That was a standard procedure in dealing with a MK-48 gone wild. BuShips knew about the shorting problem with the battery just like a problem with the MK-14 during WWII and the slow process in coming up with a proper fix. It typically took such a disaster to get those civilian types off their dead asses and fix these kinds of problems.
I had a hell of a lot of trouble getting those same people to accept my concept and configuration for the AN/WLR-6 system until NSA and DNI went over their heads.
Now if you really want to know of a cover up by our government then look into actually what happened to the U.S.S. LIBERTY in June 1967? That was a cover up from the word go.


41 posted on 05/07/2007 7:12:00 PM PDT by spookie
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Here is the rest of the story
47 posted on 05/07/2007 7:38:50 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Pelosi - C an't U nderstand N ormal T hinking)
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The USS Scorpion nuclear submarine sank in the Mediterranean Sea...

Well, in the first place, THAT is wrong. She is off the Azores in the well into the Atlantic - practically mid Atlantic..

I think maybe we need to bring Art Bell & Coast to Coast AM in on this one.

48 posted on 05/08/2007 1:14:54 AM PDT by NucSubs (Rudy Giuliani 2008! Our liberal democrat is better than theirs!)
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