Posted on 05/01/2007 12:08:24 PM PDT by Nachum
(IsraelNN.com) In a televised address to a packed mosque, the Acting Speaker of the Palestinian Authority's Legislative Council called for the killing of every last Jew and American. His speech and murderous prayer were delivered in an unidentified packed mosque and broadcast on an official PA-controlled television station.
According to a recording and transcript of the April 20th broadcast, translated and provided by Palestinian Media Watch, PLC Acting Speaker Ahmed Bahr called the Jews "the cancerous lump... in the heart of the Arab nation." He predicted that "America is on its way to disappear. America is wallowing [in blood] today in Iraq and Afghanistan. America is defeated and Israel is defeated, and was defeated, in Lebanon and Palestine." Adopting the open-palmed gesture of Islamic prayer, as did his audience, the PA official intoned: "Allah, take hold of the Jews and their allies, Allah, take hold of the Americans and their allies.... Allah, count them and kill them to the last one and don't leave even one."
This is not Bahr's first appeal for genocide of the Jews and Americans. Just one week earlier, on April 13th, Sudan television broadcast a fiery sermon delivered by the PA legislator in a Sudanese mosque. At the conclusion of his remarks, the Sudanese worshipers opened their palms in supplication and Bahr prayed:
"Oh Allah, vanquish the Jews and their supporters. Oh Allah, vanquish the Americans and their supporters. Oh Allah, count their numbers, and kill them all, down to the very last one. Oh Allah, show them a day of darkness. Oh Allah, who sent down His Book, the mover of the clouds, who defeated the enemies of the Prophet defeat the Jews
"...we are eager for death..." - PA Speaker Ahmed Bahr and the Americans, and bring us victory over them."
According to the translated transcript and video of the Sudan speech, provided by the Middle East Media Research Institute, Bahr called Muslims "the masters of the world" and predicted, as he did in the PA mosque the following week, that "America and Israel will be annihilated, Allah willing."
Jews and Americans, the PA official declared, citing "the Book of Allah," are "cowards, who are eager for life, while we are eager for death for the sake of Allah."
Firmly swearing that terrorism against Israelis will continue, Bahr said, "Our Jihad-fighting Palestinian people salutes its brother, Sudan." The PA official appeared on the Sudanese television even as Muslim fundamentalists and Arab nationalists in Sudan are engaged in a war of extreme violence against Black Africans of all religions in the Darfur region.
The book “Because they Hate” shows how this cult instills hatred for Jews in their children and continues it in their houses of cult.
Islamist blood, perhaps. (Imam Reid's (D-NV) fatwah not withstanding.)
Yes, for a second I thought one of Ed Rendell’s pals had really gone over the edge...... not that most of them are that far from it.
I posted this on another thread, so it may have some reference to some other items, but for the most part, it also would fit in here (i.e., the “Religion of Peace” and in refernce to the above article).
From — http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1826249/posts?page=78#78
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You said Youre probably correct, I only caught a few minutes of a replay show that had aired earlier in the week. Very worthy of a listening to by all.(wish Id heard the whole show)
Here is Walid Shoebats website
http://www.shoebat.com/
Wikipedia Article
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walid_Shoebat
Some YouTube videos
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=walid+shoebat&search=Search
Jan Markell (radio host) for KKMS (Minneapolis), Radio Archives
http://www.olivetreeviews.org/radio/mp3/
[use search function and plug in Shoebat]
On that Wikipedia article, I was reading one part of it, which said
Sheila Musaji said of Shoebat that This is an extremist Christian terrorist. This is not a former terrorist. This is a man who used to hate Jews and now hates Muslims, who used to commit violence against Jews and now justifies violence against Muslims.
Now, thats absolutely ridiculous, since Hes a Christian. He does not espouse violence towards Muslims. What he does is point out the violence that they have towards the West, Christians and Jews. However, to that mindset (i.e., the Muslims) if you point out *their hate* then you are encouraging hate (obviously because youre pointing out their hate). And if you point out *their violence* then you are encouraging violence (again, obviously because youre pointing out their violence). Thats basically the rationale for the Muslims to say that he espouses hate and violence soley on the basis of him pointing out where its really coming from.
Secondly the Wikipedia article says He [Will Youmans; see below...] also argues that Shoebats religious convictions, including the belief that Jews will be forced to accept Christ or perish in hell when the Rapture comes, are intrinsically anti-Semitic.
Now, thats another ridiculous statement. Its, first of all, true that he is a Christian. And secondly, its *very well known* that Christians teach that Christianity is *totally exclusive* to any other religion in the world and that the *only way* to God the Father (as Jesus said, Himself) is through Jesus. It is emphasized, many times in the Bible, that there is no other way. And then, thirdly, its also a well-known Christian doctrine that any who refuse to accept Christ as Savior will perish in Hell. Therefore, these *three givens* from Christianity apply across the board to any race, any nationality, any group, or any-anything.
So, you take those three fundamentals of the Christian doctrine and faith and then you put Jews in there (without mentioning all the other people in the world that it applies to) and then you say, See there, hes anti-semitic! Thats an absolutely twisted argument to try to gain some sympathy, or hearing on the basis of throwing out the phrase anti-semitic.
And then, another statement from Will Youmans Furthermore, Youmans contends that Shoebats beliefs are incompatible with efforts towards peace, because of the premillennial, dispensational doctrine that the Second Coming of Christ will be hastened by conflict in the Middle East.
Now, while many may not know anything about premillennial or dispensational doctrine (in Christianity), at least I do. Youll notice that Ive got it mentioned on my FReeper home page. Ive had it there for a long time. And this is another type of slander or slur against some Christians the *idea* that the Second Coming of Christ will be *hastened* by conflict in the Middle East.
Its like someone is saying, Well, they think that the Second Coming will arrive faster if there is conflict, so these people are going to work for as much conflict as they can create over there, hence, all their hate speech and violence against the Muslims.
Thats such a ridiculous idea that any of these Christians would work for or support violence over there, for the sake of speeding up the Second Coming. These Christians would support Israel defending itself, and of course, these very same Muslims complaining about this supposed hate and violence of the Christians, would prefer that Israel not defend itself so they would have an easier time of wiping them out. And, by *their logic* Israel defending itself is perpetrating violence upon the Muslims. They really do have twisted logic when you listen to them.
I will say that those Christians who do adhere to the premillennial and dispensational views, definitely see that the Bible talks about the coming battle of Armageddon and the 7-years of Tribulation, in which the entire world and the various armies of the nations (of the world) are brought to a battlefield in the Middle East. That they do see as coming. However, they are not encouraging it or supporting it. Its simply something that is coming *on its own*.
See below for a brief bio of Will Youmans
Will Youmans (born in Detroit, MI in 1978) is a Palestinian-American writer, activist and hip-hop artist.
Youmans is an outspoken advocate for the cause of Palestinian human rights and a critic of American foreign policy in the Middle East. He co-hosts and co-produces a show, Whats Happening?, on the American channel of the international satellite TV station Arab Radio and Television (ART). He has written extensively in various media outlets, including the San Francisco Chronicle, Michigan Daily, Daily Californian, Counterpunch. He writes a weekly column with the Arab-American News.
Another spokesperson about the aims and hate and violence of Muslims is Brigitte Gabriel from Lebanon. She had to live through the Islamic violence perpetrated on her and her family while she was growing up in her teen years. She now lives in the U.S. have a husband and family and goes on speaking tours around the country letting people know what the *aims* of Muslims are ( basically out for our destruction... ).
Her website
http://www.americancongressfortruth.com/
And, if you get a chance to see this video, you should Obsession. An abridged 12-minute version is here (you can purchase the full version if you want)
http://www.obsessionthemovie.com/trailer-12min.php
And then, for a listing of all the Islamic terrorists attacks, see the following. Its over 1,000 pages, organized by dates (the years). You can view smaller segments that way.
http://prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline.Islam
Go to the homepage of this site and get a lot of other information. This guy actually met with Al Qaida (a very dangerious thing to do) and wrote of the experience and gives his knowledge of the problem.
His book is called Tea with Terrorists (interesting...)
http://teawithterrorists.com/
For a lot of videos from Islamic countries and the hate they constantly preach to all their people, including kids from kindergarten, up... see...
Their main website is
http://www.memri.org/
Another person that speaks out (her father was a terrorist...) is Nonie Darwish. Youll find her interviewed several times on Jan Markells program (up above).
http://www.arabsforisrael.com/
Well, thats a lot of information there, for anyone. Look at it all and learn an awfully lot...
Regards,
Star Traveler
I’ll take “what do Speakers seem to have in common for $1000, Alex”
Well, that’s it. I am never going to Pennsylvania again!
And we’re giving them how many hundreds of millions of dollars? I say not another red cent. Let them rot. Let their Islamic brethern subsidize these parasites. We should not be providing support to the very people who want to kill us. And the ones who are here can go home.
Allah = death.. Jehovah = Life
A followup to what I said in the last post. Here’s the most recent word (post) on the Bush Administration wanting to “talk” to Iran —
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1826716/posts
Note here that it’s the Bush Administration who wants to “talk” while Iran is playing “hard to get”....
You know, one of these days we might actually take them up on this war thing, and start some serious and focused responding. Remember, we still know how to make napalm and willy peter...
from the Virginia Conference message board
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ClergyNet_VaUMC/message/7860
Ashley ______ is a Young Adult Missionary with the General Board of Global Ministries (http://new.gbgm-umc.org/work/missionaries/biographies/index.cfm?action=results&key=1&criteria=Ashley).
She recently returned from Bethlehem, Palestine (West Bank/Occupied Palestinian Territories), where she served for 16 months at the Wi’am Palestinian Conflict Resolution Center (http://www.planet.edu/~alaslah/).
She is currently completing the second portion of her Mission Internship in Washington, DC with The US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation (www.endtheoccupation.org).
She is available for talks, presentations, and workshops for all ages.
She reflects that in learning so much from the people and the situation in Bethlehem, she is eager to share her experiences with those who made it possible for her to serve in Bethlehem - the people of the United Methodist Church. She maintained a web log of her time in Bethlehem.
These, along with pictures can be viewed at:
www.ashleyinbethlehem.blogspot.com
Are we supposed to be surprised about this stuff?
Well, it sounds to me as though Nancy Pee-lousy needs to get her a** over there right this minute to give this guy a great big hug and help him sing Kum-by-a (no, can’t spell worth a darn) and everything will be all right. Just ask her and the Hill-de-pants.
Well, the Speaker of PA Legislature is a Republican.
Looks like self-appointed Secretary of State Nancy Pelosi needs a return trip to Damascus for more peace talks. After all, ‘it takes a woman to clean house’. She can bake up sweet cream canoli’s for all the unruly Pallies and that should placate them for now.
BUMP!
Thanks for all the info..~Pandora~
You and me both!
You said — “Are we supposed to be surprised about this stuff?”
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Well, I find that most people are surprised by this stuff. They presume that what is going on with the Islamic jihadists is simply a small minority, who are “hijacking” an otherwise peaceful religion (since our own government tells them that).
The actual truth of the matter is that there is no such thing as a “moderate Musilm”. There may be a few who are “backslidden” Muslims, who are not practicing their religio-governmental idealogy — but they are not “moderate Muslims.” There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim, regardless of what the media or the Bush Administration wants to try and tell you. The religion is not being hijacked.
In fact, if there were any such thing as a moderate Muslim, the real Muslims could *legitimately* make the claim (and prove it) that it is the “moderate Muslim who is hijacking the religion.
You can see more info at post #28 and #44.
And you should see —
http://www.obsessionthemovie.com/trailer-12min.php
What people don’t realize is that about 60-70% of the Muslim world population is solidly in the jihadists camp, in that they will provide support by various means, by money, by protesting, by participating in jihad, by whatever means they have at their disposal at the time.
FURTHERMORE, it’s actually *unimaginable* (to our own minds, here in this country) how *indoctrinated* all the Muslims are, in each of their countries, to the constant barrage of hate and kill and Islam will take over the world. It’s *so pervasive* — everywhere — it’s that if you were to tell people *how pervasive* it is, everday, with these people — most Americans would be sure that you were exagerrating and trying to over-emphasize it.
The fact of the matter is that it’s almost *impossible* to over-emphasize the situation, because “in real life” they (themselves) have over-emphasized this to an extreme. One simply cannot do that, in normal speech, to other Americans to get the point across.
So, back to your question — “Are we supposed to be surprised about this stuff?” I find that “yes, most Americans are surprised!” when they find out the true nature of it and how pervasive it is. They will simply *continue to disbelieve it* — no matter how much information you give them...
I hope the US Immigration Service keeps an eye on this character and does not issue him an immigration visa.
Are you kidding? Columbia or Yale University is probably already discussing the opportunity for him to come and speak as part of their program of diversity. Heck, they may be fighting over which one is going to endow him with a ‘chair’ in the Political Science Department.
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