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The Westies, Cho Sueng-Hui and an Opportunistic Bigot Named Patrick J. Buchanan
RedState.Com ^ | 1 may 2007 | .cnI redruM

Posted on 05/01/2007 9:15:28 AM PDT by .cnI redruM

Like Congressman James Moran in search of an excuse to confiscate privately-owned firearms, Pat Buchanan seeks to glom onto the tragic shootings at Virginia Tech. Like James Moran, Pat Buchanan reeks of execrable thinking and primitive hatred. Both men are truly Sons of Erin. However, just because I like green beer and rooting vehemently against Notre Dame Football, I’ll decline to follow the path of bigoted hate-mongering tread by the odious Patrick J. Buchanan in today’s column.

Buchanan attaches profound significance to the fact that Cho Sueng-Hui had a green card. Boy, that detail comes in handy, when you want to unjustly tar the reputations of over 1 million of the hardest working, most patriotic citizens the United States of America. Buchanan makes the hateful claim that because Cho was a murdering psychopath, none of the hard-working, dedicated business people of Korea, who have opened up shops in places like Annandale, Virginia, should ever have been allowed to come here and pursue their dreams.

What was Cho doing here? How did he get in?

The same way your ancestors got here; bigot. His parents scraped, saved, and barely made it for years while running a shoe-string family business. They benefited from the same beneficent mind set that made people in Boston and New York take down all those evil “Irish Need Not Apply” signs from the windows of their business establishments.

Cho was among the 864,000 Koreans here as a result of the Immigration Act of 1965, which threw the nation's doors open to the greatest invasion in history, an invasion opposed by a majority of our people. Thirty-six million, almost all from countries whose peoples have never fully assimilated in any Western country, now live in our midst.

Well gosh Patrick, you could say that about almost anyone from the Far-East. How dare these people come over here and walk around looking less of the Caucasian Persuasion than either you or I?

Cho was one of them.

Cue the cheesy horror music. Pat stops just short of asking for a good, thorough Kystalnacht to cleanse these guys the Serbian way.

And what does it mean to be one of them? Does that mean you drive a used Toyota instead of a brand, new German Luxury Car? Maybe your haircuts cost $10.50 instead of $400.00. These people live in an America that neither Patrick J. Buchanan nor John Edwards can remember the first thing about.

Or perhaps that implies you sink everything your family owns into a hard and sometimes demeaning small family business, so that you can afford to send your children to college. You know, like Middle Class Americans. Those people Patrick J. Buchanan hasn’t seen, heard from, or had anything to do with since his last, and blessedly abortive, run for The Presidency.

A similarly ignorant argument could also be made about Patrick J. Buchanan’s forefathers. The courage and noble dignity of The Irish Brigades be damned. Never mind that they gave it up for America like no one else who wasn’t brought here a slave.

The Infamous Westies were Irish Americans. I’ll betcha’ Mom and Pop didn’t even check their bags through Ellis Island. They shot so many people. They didn’t even have Cho’s insanity defense. It was all just takin’ care of bidness’. They were no more assimilated to our culture than Tony Montana; face down dead in his swimming pool.

So should we let Patrick J. Buchanan wear green on Saint Paddy’s Day? It could be a sign of his total lack of assimilation. He might even be one of them. I think we should let it go. Like the Korean cuisine my wife can cook so well, it adds flavor to our nation.

Despite the terrible consequences of Patrick J Buchanan being here, I think we should be good to Irish Americans and welcome further immigration from their country. In other words, we should be a whole lot more decent to them than Patrick J. Buchanan is to the poor, undeserving South Koreans.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; US: Virginia; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: buchanan; cho; immigration; opportunist; patbuchanan; pitchforkpat; racistpig; vatech
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To: .cnI redruM
I have no idea what Buchanan's point was, but I'll raise this question . . .

How many white American kids with Cho's obvious personality disorders and pathetic verbal skills in the English language would ever have been permitted to enter - and remain enrolled at -- a school like Virginia Tech as an English major?

/rant off/

61 posted on 05/01/2007 11:08:02 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: .cnI redruM

That’s true. Why do they hate us? Because they believe the lies liberals tell about us. Because they believe the multiculty/diversity agenda they are taught in “race, gender and class studies”: that America is not the greatest nation in the world, and that all other cultures are morally equivalent to American culture.


62 posted on 05/01/2007 11:10:33 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: VRWCmember
You have information about citizenship that I did not know about. All I read in the column was

"Cho was among the 864,000 Koreans here as a result of the Immigration Act of 1965, which threw the nation's doors open to the greatest invasion in history, an invasion opposed by a majority of our people. Thirty-six million, almost all from countries whose peoples have never fully assimilated in any Western country, now live in our midst."

I hope that Pat was not writing about that part of the 36 million that became citizens. I would disagree with him on those.

63 posted on 05/01/2007 11:15:22 AM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: VRWCmember
Koreans tend to be among the most benign immigrants this country has welcomed over the years, but even they can sometimes get mired in hot-button issues that go right to the heart of Buchanan's point.

Here in New Jersey there's been a long-running controversy in one heavily Korean town that has attempted to institute a requirement for English-language signs on all of the businesses in the town, most of which are owned by recent immigrants who don't seem all that interested in assimilating.

64 posted on 05/01/2007 11:17:22 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: ex-snook

If millions of criminal aliens are given citizenship by the Democrat congress, will they become assimilated patriotic Americans overnight?


65 posted on 05/01/2007 11:18:18 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Alberta's Child
Not many, and I will praise you for raising an excellent point. Had PJB taken a different tack here, he could have made an intelligent point. Why doesn't Buchanan question how Cho was educated?

He didn't come here as an America-hater, he was a kid when he arrived. He got the brain-washing from American educators.

And yes, our mental health system performed *terribly*.

66 posted on 05/01/2007 11:20:39 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (Liberals NEVER measure the consequences of their actions, only the personal political advantages.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"If millions of criminal aliens are given citizenship by the Democrat congress, will they become assimilated patriotic Americans overnight? "

Nope but nope also if Republicans did it. Do you know if citizenship requires knowledge of English and American history?

67 posted on 05/01/2007 11:22:22 AM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: Alberta's Child

The real bigots are the liberal nazis who want to disarm all these people. Remember the Koreans who defended themselves and their property during the “Rodney King” L.A. riots? The liberal RATS who pander for Al Sharpton’s presidential endorsement want all those Koreans to be disarmed, robbed and murdered.


68 posted on 05/01/2007 11:22:36 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: .cnI redruM

The Pat defenders on this thread crack me up. I didn’t think his vile racism had any supporters left. Pat needs to stick to illegal immigrants.


69 posted on 05/01/2007 11:22:37 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: ex-snook

It should.


70 posted on 05/01/2007 11:23:28 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: .cnI redruM

The fact remains that had Sueng-Hui not been allowed into America, he would not have been able to slaughter 32 Americans. Nothing that Buchanan said is wrong. America’s liberal immigration policy is bad for Americans. 12 Americans are murdered by illegal aliens every day. A further 13 if you count death by dangerous driving.

Also, to everyone who says racism was not a factor in the Virginia Tech shootings are wrong. It has been said that part of Sueng-Hui’s anger at his schoolmates was due to them mocking him for his accent. It is another example of people from different cultures being forced to live together. There is always friction in these situations, only this time that friction had terrible consequences.


71 posted on 05/01/2007 11:27:31 AM PDT by Hatter6
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To: caddie
Pat is disingenuous when it comes to immigration and alot of his populous views. Do you remember his love affair with unions during g 92 campaign. I had a front row seat to the impressions Pat leaves on some minorities in this country. My daughter-in-law a fifth generation college graduate who incidentally paid her own tuition, and has climbed the corporate ladder due to ability and not affirmative action is a conservative. She is for low taxes, against abortion, pro second amendment devout Catholic a free trader and sends her kids to private school. She was apolitical until she married my son but he convinced her that the views she held melded with the Republicans and conservatives more so than anything coming out of the dem party. She saw Buchanan on MSNBC on several occasions and flips the channel now whenever he is on. She says he hates Hispanics and leaves her with a bad taste in her mouth. Her nephew was called a wetback by some little pos in middle school. They are not even from Mexico. She knows and agrees something has to be done about illegals but feels some of the messengers hurt the party and create racism. If Americans of Hispanic decent feel this way in any great numbers I think we as Republicans or conservatives can kiss goodbye our political chances of reversing the damage done by liberals. Words mean something and we need to change the language to affect the outcome we would like to achieve. I hate the pc crap but we need more the language of Jon Kyle and less hysterics from Pat Buchanan. After his rant in his latest column I still believe he is a racist. He is only on the mainstream media because he hates Bush. They started dragging him out on MSNBC right after the 2000 election. The other night he thought Hillary sounded like Reagan. I thinks his time has passed and our political concerns best addressed by other standard bearers.
72 posted on 05/01/2007 11:28:22 AM PDT by mimaw
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To: ozzymandus
His blindness caused him to miss an opportunity. Had Pat Buchanan chosen to castigate the educators who taught Cho “America is bad. America is racist. Americans are scum.” Then Pat Buchanan would have addressed a legitimate problem.

Instead, Pat Buchanan just provides the America-haters more ammunition. If we told immigrants that we expected them to appreciate being here and to obey the laws and honor this country, I’d bet money that well over 90% would.

73 posted on 05/01/2007 11:29:13 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (Liberals NEVER measure the consequences of their actions, only the personal political advantages.)
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To: Hatter6

You seem to be confusing illegal aliens with legal immigrants. Nobody here is in favor of illegal aliens.


74 posted on 05/01/2007 11:37:16 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus

legal or illegal, they are all part of the same liberal immigration policy.


75 posted on 05/01/2007 11:49:05 AM PDT by Hatter6
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To: mimaw
Much of what you say is absolutely unrelated to Buchanan, and has to do with your bad experiences with racism, and those of your family and friends.

But I believe you are uncritically pairing these bad experiences with Buchanan, without any evidence that he is racist.

Did Buchanan call anyone a 'wetback' the way someone called your nephew?

Did Buchanan ever say he hated Hispanics?

Don't you think that the illegals (and liberals and other PC types) are going to throw any and all smears at Buchanan (or anyone else who disagrees with them), to further their agenda, even if the smears are not true?

Is any person who wants a more strict immigration policy a 'racist'?

If we let so many foreign persons immigrate each year that a large percentage never become loyal Americans, is that smart?

Can someone raise these issues and not immediately be labeled a racist?

76 posted on 05/01/2007 12:00:57 PM PDT by caddie
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To: Alberta's Child
You have made a good point, and it is Buchanan's point.

This shooter obviously needed psychiatric help.

If he were not a minority, Buchanan is asserting, then people would have not distanced themselves from him. They would not have 'given him a bye'.

They would have challenged the weird behavior of the shooter in the months and years before the event.

But PC being PC, no student, teacher, or administrator, no one, dared to question or challenge the weird and antisocial behavior that Cho exhibited, probably because they feared that they would be accused of racism (in the same knee-jerk way that Pat has been accused of racism on this very thread) for calling him out.

Behavior that would have gotten a white male expelled from VT, or very carefully scrutinized, at least, in my humble opinion, was foolishly and cravenly overlooked when Cho did it, because he was a minority.

This is the point that Buchanan is making.

77 posted on 05/01/2007 12:13:06 PM PDT by caddie
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To: caddie

We need a comprehensive immigration reform no doubt about it. But Buchanan’s screeds about non white immigrants both legal and illegal do not help but rather are done to gin up radicals on both sides. He is either a racist or a provocateur. Being of Irish decent I haven’t endured racist sentiments my self only Irish jokes. We as a nation are a great melting pot and pretty well succeeded in assimilation until a lot of liberal policies Balkanized us into groups. The likes of a Buchanan who doesn’t seem concerned about Europeans that are here on expired visas for years and doesn’t worry about immigrants coming from Europe but wants to shut down even legal immigration from south America is not a good spokesman for the right.


78 posted on 05/01/2007 12:30:33 PM PDT by mimaw
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To: .cnI redruM
You're caught in that spiral: "He hates me, I hate him," "He insults something I value, therefore I insult him." If you're going to blog on things like this how about being the bigger fellow and looking at things in perspective.

A lot of people are appalled by the possibility of foreign conflicts spilling over onto our streets as a result of decades of mass immigration. The Cho case doesn't fit that pattern, since he can be seen as a lone nut, but Pat does have a point about what the future could bring.

79 posted on 05/01/2007 1:27:10 PM PDT by x
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To: .cnI redruM
Buchanan is an ignorant blow hard.
80 posted on 05/01/2007 5:20:29 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Al Qaeda knows Iraq's strategic value, yet the Democrats work day and night for our defeat there.)
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