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Gig Harbor school security video use limited after flap over girls' kiss
King 5 News ^ | 09:45 AM PDT on Thursday, April 26, 2007 | AP

Posted on 04/26/2007 2:45:58 PM PDT by Sopater

GIG HARBOR, Wash. - Restrictions on the use of security videotape have been tightened at a suburban Tacoma high school after images of two girls kissing were shown to the parents of one of the girls, officials say.

Keith Nelson, dean of students at Gig Harbor High School, said he saw the students kissing and holding hands in the school's busy commons, checked a surveillance camera and showed the parents the tape because they had asked him a few weeks earlier to alert them to any conduct by their daughter that was out of the ordinary.

They then transferred their daughter to a school outside the Peninsula School District, which lies northwest of Tacoma.

Both girls said their privacy was invaded and denied doing anything wrong. Neither was identified by name in an article published Thursday by The News Tribune of Tacoma.

The kiss amounted to a quick "peck," said the girl who remains at the school, a 17-year-old senior described as the daughter of a News Tribune employee.

"We weren't doing anything inappropriate, nothing anyone else wouldn't do," she said.

Nelson said students could not have any expectation of privacy in a crowded place and maintained that he would have taken the same action had the students kissing been a boy and a girl.

An internal investigation into a complaint from a student -- it was unclear whether the complaint came from one of the girls -- established that Nelson had not violated district policy, Assistant School Superintendent Shannon Wiggs said.

Even so, Principal Greg Schellenberg said, school surveillance videotape may now be used only for security monitoring and discipline for actions such as trespassing, vandalism and fighting.

Kissing and other public displays of affection were at the time and remain violations of school rules, but violators will first be given warnings and will be disciplined only for a second offense, Schellenberg said. In addition, school employees are barred from sharing surveillance video in response to an open-ended parental request.

"It's not our normal practice," Schellenberg said. "It's not going to happen again."

In the case of the kiss, he added, "the same information could have been portrayed to the family without the video."

Nelson said he respected the change in policy but added that he believes his first obligation is to parents.

"They're paying good money for us to make their kids good citizens," he said. "Whatever that means to the parents, I'll do it."


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1 posted on 04/26/2007 2:46:02 PM PDT by Sopater
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To: Sopater

IB4TTTIUWP!


2 posted on 04/26/2007 2:47:26 PM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: Sopater

IMHO, an unemancipated minor has no expectation of privacy, ever. Their parents can read their mail, medical records, email and text messages.


3 posted on 04/26/2007 2:50:32 PM PDT by CholeraJoe (Beebers stuned - $5. Two for $8.)
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To: Sopater

Well someone’s gotta say it...

This thread is useless without pics!


4 posted on 04/26/2007 2:50:34 PM PDT by BigTex5
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To: dfwgator

5 posted on 04/26/2007 2:51:27 PM PDT by 10mm
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To: 10mm

That doesn’t look like a peck.


6 posted on 04/26/2007 2:53:48 PM PDT by JTHomes
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To: CholeraJoe
IMHO, an unemancipated minor has no expectation of privacy, ever. Their parents can read their mail, medical records, email and text messages.

Here! Here!
7 posted on 04/26/2007 2:56:35 PM PDT by Sopater (All of the evidence supports the truth!)
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To: JTHomes

That’s a bushel if I ever saw one.


8 posted on 04/26/2007 2:57:52 PM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: CholeraJoe
IMHO, an unemancipated minor has no expectation of privacy, ever. Their parents can read their mail, medical records, email and text messages.

All my children (6) at some point in their leap from teenager to adulthood have tried to make me believe they actually have rights, besides natural rights, while under my roof, eating my food, using my utilities, on my insurance plans and in some cases paying for their education.

It has always been an interesting conversation every time and humorous .

9 posted on 04/26/2007 3:03:43 PM PDT by Popman (New American Dream: Move to Mexican, cross the border, become an illegal. free everything)
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To: 10mm

EWWWWW!
susie


10 posted on 04/26/2007 3:05:48 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: Popman; CholeraJoe
All my children (6) at some point in their leap from teenager to adulthood have tried to make me believe they actually have rights, besides natural rights, while under my roof, eating my food, using my utilities, on my insurance plans and in some cases paying for their education.

An interesting thought just occurred to me. I wonder if the gov't will feel the same way when they have everyone living under a roof, eating the food, using the utilities, health plans, and education that are provided by the gov't? Will we think that we still have rights? Hmmmm.
11 posted on 04/26/2007 3:07:14 PM PDT by Sopater (All of the evidence supports the truth!)
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To: BigTex5; 10mm
This thread is useless without pics!

Would you feel the same way if it had been a couple of dudes?
12 posted on 04/26/2007 3:08:46 PM PDT by Sopater (All of the evidence supports the truth!)
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To: brytlea

HOTTTTT!


13 posted on 04/26/2007 3:12:07 PM PDT by JTHomes
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To: JTHomes

Please see post 12.
susie


14 posted on 04/26/2007 3:12:44 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: Sopater

You said — “Here! Here!”

Ummmm..., I could answer, “There, There!” But to avoid that kind of answer, simply say, “Hear! Hear!”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hear_hear


15 posted on 04/26/2007 3:19:21 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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You asked another poster — “Would you feel the same way if it had been a couple of dudes?”

Nope, sure wouldn’t. So, that begs the question, “Does it seem different if it’s a man looking at something like that with two men? In other words, it would be the same for women looking at two women that way, too Or — does it seem somehow different from the standpoint of two women versus two men.

No, this is not a trick question; just wondering if it is the same in the view of women, or it seems different in the view of women. (I don’t belong to that side of the fence, you see...)...


16 posted on 04/26/2007 3:23:47 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: CholeraJoe
IMHO, an unemancipated minor has no expectation of privacy, ever. Their parents can read their mail, medical records, email and text messages.

Legally, you are right. Practically, such invasive rules on kids almost out of the house anyway frequently produces bitter children that will remain bitter towards their parents for the remainder of their days. If you treat 16 to 18 year old kids like their 5 the result is that they'll get away from you as fast as they can and when mom and dad get old, they can forget junior taking care of them. Not to mention that these kids don't often turn into model citizens.

Not that any of that has anything to do with this issue. They were in public. People tend to see things done in public.
17 posted on 04/26/2007 3:25:20 PM PDT by JamesP81 (Eph 6:12)
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To: 10mm; stylecouncilor

They are not guilty.


18 posted on 04/26/2007 3:28:44 PM PDT by windcliff
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To: Star Traveler


I'm so ebarrassed...
19 posted on 04/26/2007 3:29:45 PM PDT by Sopater (All of the evidence supports the truth!)
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To: CholeraJoe
IMHO, an unemancipated minor has no expectation of privacy, ever.

So a step father has the right to strip search his 15 year old daughter?

Children do have privacy rights whether you like it or not.

20 posted on 04/26/2007 3:32:21 PM PDT by LeGrande (Muslims, Jews and Christians all believe in the same God of Abraham.)
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