[Gondring]

It’s a shame that those who feel our climate change isn’t anthropogenic feel they must resort to Michael Moore-style lies to make their case. :-( But I guess this is the state of “documentary” in the 21st Century. :-(

[aruanan]

It’s a shame that those who feel our climate change isn’t anthropogenic feel they must resort to Michael Moore-style lies to make their case. :-(

"feel" it "isn't anthropogenic"? We know it isn't anthropogenic. The reasons why it isn't anthropogenic are more solidly scientific than the sophistry that purports that it is.

Here, let me give it to you in a very, very short space so you won't lose the thread of the argument:

In the absence of human activity, the earth has regularly been going through cycles of heating and cooling.

The heating and cooling cycles are correlated with cycles in solar activity.

CO2 increases follow temperature increases; CO2 decreases follow temperature decreases.

Changes in solar activity drive changes in global warming and cooling; global warming/cooling drives changes in levels of atmospheric CO2.

Changes in atmospheric CO2 are the result, not the cause of, changes in global temperature.

Furthermore: solar-driven changes in global temperature change levels of human activity and population.

Increased human activity has caused an increase in atmospheric CO2.

Therefore, solar-driven changes in global temperature have also been responsible for the changes in the anthropogenic component of atmospheric CO2.

Both the "natural" changes in levels of atmospheric CO2 and anthropogenic changes are effects of a cause that lies entirely outside the realm of human control.

In either case, since the increase in atmospheric CO2 is the result, not the cause, of global warming, trying to decrease the level of the result can do nothing to decrease the degree of the cause. That is, since A causes B and B results in C, fiddling with degrees of C will do nothing to change A and attempting to do so is a waste of time and resources.

[ancient_geezer]

:It’s a shame that those who feel our climate change isn’t anthropogenic feel they must resort to Michael Moore-style lies to make their case.

Accusing one's opposition of one's own sins hardly a new gambit.

But then, more in politics than any other endevour the bigger the fabrication, the more likely it will be received by the intended audience:

 

 

POLITICS OF CATASTROPHE IN A NUTSHELL:
(Lessons of history)

 

“The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. ”
-- H. L. Mencken

• “A hypothesis is always preferable to the truth, for we tailor a hypothesis to fit our opinion of the truth, whereas the truth is only its own awkward self. Ergo, never discover the truth when a hypothesis will do.”

• “For the great majority of mankind are satisfied with appearances, as though they were realities, and are often more influenced by the things that seem than by those that are.”

• “Therefore a wise prince ought to adopt such a course that his citizens will always in every sort and kind of circumstance have need of the state and of him, and then he will always find them faithful.”

• “Besides what has been said, people are fickle by nature; and it is a simple to convince them of something but difficult to hold them in that conviction; and, therefore, affairs should be managed in such a way that when they no longer believe, they can be made to believe by force.”
  -- Nicolo Machiavelli

“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”
-- H. L. Mencken

 

[xjcsa]

It’s a shame that those who feel our climate change isn’t anthropogenic feel they must resort to Michael Moore-style lies to make their case.

It's a shame that liberals always have to resort to trying to shut people up in order to avoid having their ideas exposed as a fraud.